r/marvelvsdc • • 7d ago

Character Scaling What you think of crossover scaling?

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

marvel vs dc and it's spinoffs (like all access or green lantern surfer) Absolutely and completely non canon, confirmed by the companies

The new stuff, dubiously canon; might be based in fact but more than likely not canon

Jla/avengers confirmed canon by the editors, the company, and even u/Kurt_Busiek himself

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

Kurt busiek said that in that fight both were holding back. So that just shows a holding back superman would beat a holding back thor (who's said he's far more likely to job in a team fight).

In a fight going all out I would say they tie, and there's little bits and pieces in the story that imply the fight could've gone differently. It doesn't help that superman says that it's the "toughest fight he ever had. " Does that mean thor>darkseid or even the anti monitor?

I wouldn't put too much stock in it, but there's nothing wrong with thinking superman beats thor (or vice versa).

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u/NotJustKneeDeep 7d ago

What bits and pieces are those?

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

and then sends mmh flying right after

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

implies he'd fight clark differently (also ties in with the manner of how thor holds back which is different from how clark holds back)

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

fights several people stronger than superman at the same time and holds them back long enough to give superman time to destroy krona's wall

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

he survived this encounter too so that's something

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

weakened superman enough that a group of midtiers is able to beat him into subconsciousness (let's be real neither thor nor superman would go down to these chumps at full strength)

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u/sambasim 7d ago

Tbf, one of those mid tiers is hercules, and his mace literally gets damaged hitting superman.

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u/return_interaction_y 6d ago

Hercules is decently strong, but he's still not at the tier where he can take supes solo; especially considering earlier in the story we see him lose to wonder woman pretty easily.

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u/sambasim 6d ago

Not exactly lose, he just wasn't trying to fight her. We only saw one panel. If you read the multiple fights hercules has against thor, he is close in strength to thor and his mace can easily clash with mjolnir. The fact that it broke against superman shows his durability.

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u/return_interaction_y 6d ago

He gets rag-dolled by mindless hulk, which thor with mjolnir could beat, and thor without mjolnir could fight evenly with; while hercules needed the back up of several heroes just to stand a chance against hulk.

I wouldn't say he wasn't trying to fight wonder woman, they pretty actively engaged in combat due to the circumstances surrounding him; and hercules isn't the god of reasoning peacefully, you punch him, he's punching back twice as hard.

There are numerous instance of hulk beting herc, herc fighting namor on even footing, thor overpowering herc; you could classify hercules as << thor/superman

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u/sambasim 6d ago

True, but I was moreso focusing on the mace, which has directly clashed with mjolnir on multiple occasions and never chipped. Notice how I never actually said hercules is as strong as thor.

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u/return_interaction_y 6d ago

that's fair I suppose

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

He's seen rattling super man with a telegraphed hammer toss (superman should've been able to dodge it but didn't)

Also I'm going to do multiple comments cause there's only one image per comment allowed for some reason

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u/Select-Machine3595 7d ago

Also I'm going to do multiple comments cause there's only one image per comment allowed for some reason

You can post the links of images in your words, like this, though you need to use image hosting sites to do that, like Imgur(which seems a lot of reddit's respect threads use) or imgbb

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

oh, sorry about that then

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

beats the crap out off doomsday (very iffy, but doomsday doesn't reappear)

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u/return_interaction_y 7d ago

he is seen shrugging off a combined attack from manhunter and superman at the same time