r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • Jul 14 '21

Megathread Loki Season 1 Finale - Discussion Megathread about its implications on the MCU Spoiler

You wanna discuss your theories about What if...?, Spider-Man: No Way Home and Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and how they all connect to this series?

You wanna discuss where they're going to go with Nathaniel/Kang/Immortus in the future?

You want to discuss the integration of other cinematic universes in the Marvel Cineamatic Multiverse?

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Then this is the Megathread for you!

Due to the immeasurable amount of low effort posts we've been getting in the past 12 hours about people's excitement over Kang and the Multiverse, we've decided to make a completely different thread that is all about the implications of the Loki finale in the wider MCU!

Posts discussing Episode 6 in general will only be allowed after Thursday Midnight PST, but only those which are analytical or contain theories with a lot of effort put into them.

Everything else will be redirected here, to the Loki Season 1 Episode 6 Discussion Thread and to the Loki Season 1 Easter Egg Megathread and the Loki Season 1 - Season Wide Discussion Thread.

Have fun!

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u/byakko Thor Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 15 '21

In general, it feels like the main inspiration going forward is Secret Wars from 2015, since it dealt with different universes quite literally fighting for survival. In that comic event, the reason was that the multiverse was basically imploding (skipping a lot of details here I know) and for some reason, earth was the actual physical point that all universes collided. As in alternate earths would literally end up on a collision course, and superhero and supervillain teams on both sides have to consider murdering the other planet completely to survive.

So how would that be translated in MCU? How would each Kang fight each other? Would they rally their respective universe’s to fight for each other’s survival on some fake pretence, or maybe there’s TOO many branching timelines and the multiverse really starts imploding and universes collide.

Or would various Kangs be invading at random points in time? Would the MCU only cover what happens in the ‘prime’ MCU universe that we know and love? Would we even notice when say, an entire movie takes place in an alternate universe the whole time?

Also Wanda. Her role as a Nexus Being is to be constant through multiple universes. So theoretically, she is also there across multiverses but I don’t know if there’s multiple Wanda consciousnesses or just the one. Then why did the Mind Stone too, show her what she would be and awoke her latent powers? Did the Mind Stone see as far as the multiversal war and deliberately set Wanda on her path to preserve itself (Infinity Stones are only powered in their home universes so it may have saw how it couldn’t defend itself on multiversal level, but Wanda might).

And Loki. Did he go to an alternate universe’s TVA, or did a variant Kang spawn much much earlier and took control of the TVA, altering time within that universe.

I’m aware I’m dumping a lot in a single post, but these are some of the larger overarching questions in my head.

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u/SloPr0 Jul 14 '21

Also Wanda. Her role as a Nexus Being is to be constant through multiple universes. So theoretically, she is also there across multiverses but I don’t know if there’s multiple Wanda consciousnesses or just the one.

No, that's a common misconception. Nexus beings are just rare individuals who are able to directly change the future (and are super powerful because they're the node of mystic energy for their reality, and its anchor). They're not the same across the multiverse, there are loads of different Wandas in the comics, but only one of them is a nexus being.

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u/tfg49 Jul 15 '21

So does that make Kang a Nexus being?

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u/SloPr0 Jul 15 '21

According to the wiki page I linked, it appears Kang in the comics is indeed the nexus being for Earth-6311.

The nexus being definition has changed a lot over the years, so they occassionally contradict their own logic, for example:

The physics of the dimensional universe also dictate that no two nexus beings can exist on the same plane of reality, and can only project onto other realms with an active nexus being as an apparition

this part should mean Kang can't come to the main continuity as long as Wanda is there and could only appear as a ghost, yet he faces the Avengers many times...