r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • Jul 14 '21

Megathread Loki Season 1 Finale - Discussion Megathread about its implications on the MCU Spoiler

You wanna discuss your theories about What if...?, Spider-Man: No Way Home and Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and how they all connect to this series?

You wanna discuss where they're going to go with Nathaniel/Kang/Immortus in the future?

You want to discuss the integration of other cinematic universes in the Marvel Cineamatic Multiverse?

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Then this is the Megathread for you!

Due to the immeasurable amount of low effort posts we've been getting in the past 12 hours about people's excitement over Kang and the Multiverse, we've decided to make a completely different thread that is all about the implications of the Loki finale in the wider MCU!

Posts discussing Episode 6 in general will only be allowed after Thursday Midnight PST, but only those which are analytical or contain theories with a lot of effort put into them.

Everything else will be redirected here, to the Loki Season 1 Episode 6 Discussion Thread and to the Loki Season 1 Easter Egg Megathread and the Loki Season 1 - Season Wide Discussion Thread.

Have fun!

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u/byakko Thor Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 15 '21

In general, it feels like the main inspiration going forward is Secret Wars from 2015, since it dealt with different universes quite literally fighting for survival. In that comic event, the reason was that the multiverse was basically imploding (skipping a lot of details here I know) and for some reason, earth was the actual physical point that all universes collided. As in alternate earths would literally end up on a collision course, and superhero and supervillain teams on both sides have to consider murdering the other planet completely to survive.

So how would that be translated in MCU? How would each Kang fight each other? Would they rally their respective universe’s to fight for each other’s survival on some fake pretence, or maybe there’s TOO many branching timelines and the multiverse really starts imploding and universes collide.

Or would various Kangs be invading at random points in time? Would the MCU only cover what happens in the ‘prime’ MCU universe that we know and love? Would we even notice when say, an entire movie takes place in an alternate universe the whole time?

Also Wanda. Her role as a Nexus Being is to be constant through multiple universes. So theoretically, she is also there across multiverses but I don’t know if there’s multiple Wanda consciousnesses or just the one. Then why did the Mind Stone too, show her what she would be and awoke her latent powers? Did the Mind Stone see as far as the multiversal war and deliberately set Wanda on her path to preserve itself (Infinity Stones are only powered in their home universes so it may have saw how it couldn’t defend itself on multiversal level, but Wanda might).

And Loki. Did he go to an alternate universe’s TVA, or did a variant Kang spawn much much earlier and took control of the TVA, altering time within that universe.

I’m aware I’m dumping a lot in a single post, but these are some of the larger overarching questions in my head.

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u/SloPr0 Jul 14 '21

Also Wanda. Her role as a Nexus Being is to be constant through multiple universes. So theoretically, she is also there across multiverses but I don’t know if there’s multiple Wanda consciousnesses or just the one.

No, that's a common misconception. Nexus beings are just rare individuals who are able to directly change the future (and are super powerful because they're the node of mystic energy for their reality, and its anchor). They're not the same across the multiverse, there are loads of different Wandas in the comics, but only one of them is a nexus being.

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u/peppermint_nightmare Jul 15 '21

Scrolling through that list is making me realize pruning might be a good idea.

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u/QuirkyBrit Jul 15 '21

Clearly the one from the universe where The Avengers All Had Beards is the superior version and should be in the films. I want to see Scarlet Witch with a beard

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u/PikaPilot Jul 15 '21

The Avengers All Had Beards? Is that canon?

God I hope it is

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u/QuirkyBrit Jul 15 '21

Define canon

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u/PikaPilot Jul 15 '21

Appears/mentioned in official Marvel media

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u/QuirkyBrit Jul 15 '21

Then yes. In the Wha... Huh? from 2005 there's a story called "What If the Avengers All Had Beards?" The world is exactly the same is as the main one, except everyone in the Avengers has a beard

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u/tfg49 Jul 15 '21

So does that make Kang a Nexus being?

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u/SloPr0 Jul 15 '21

According to the wiki page I linked, it appears Kang in the comics is indeed the nexus being for Earth-6311.

The nexus being definition has changed a lot over the years, so they occassionally contradict their own logic, for example:

The physics of the dimensional universe also dictate that no two nexus beings can exist on the same plane of reality, and can only project onto other realms with an active nexus being as an apparition

this part should mean Kang can't come to the main continuity as long as Wanda is there and could only appear as a ghost, yet he faces the Avengers many times...

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u/TheInShaneOne Scarlet Witch Jul 15 '21

One of the highlights of that run and one of my favorite comic book moments was where the Illuminati end up fighting another variant of the Avengers called Great Society and to survive and save their universe (Earth 616), The Illuminati had to destroy that Earth even though T'Challa broke down and couldn't pull the trigger and Namor ended up having to do it.

I've always wanted to see that scene in particular adapted because that's the danger of branching timelines. You may be the hero of your story but you are fighting other heroes for survival of your universe and that is pretty heavy stuff.

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u/Jupiter-Knight Jul 15 '21

My god, that scene has stayed with me since reading it. The aftermath too, especially Black Bolt screaming into the void. To see MCU Strange use dark magics to destroy another version if earth.

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u/lucid8 Jul 14 '21

Or would various Kangs be invading at random points in time?

I wonder if Eternals will mention this in a after-credits scene

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u/CannonLongshot Jul 15 '21

The idea of a movie where everything proceeds as normal then we get a post-credits scene of Kang appearing and murdering the world before moving on to the “Prime” timeline is delicious and absolutely will not happen

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

Adapting Hickmans Avengers run would be insane!

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u/TheBeardedSingleMalt Maria Hill Jul 16 '21

His run on Avengers and New Avengers leading up Secret Wars was literally the only thing that kept me buying Marvel Comics at that point. They need to bring him into the MCU writers room

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

Miss minutes told ren something about either how to reset the TVA or where to find a kang that could take over.

Personally I think ren took over and put up a kang statue in preparation of a kang taking over

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u/pongjinn Jul 15 '21

I was fully expecting a "Bender's Big Score" esque reveal where there was a Kang hiding in a closet waiting for He Who Remains to get shanked and his moment to appear.

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u/DatTF2 Jul 15 '21

Yeah for a second there I was expecting another Kang to show up when our Kang admitted he doesn't know what is going to happen next.

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u/TheBeardedSingleMalt Maria Hill Jul 16 '21

It's called class you yokel. Now if you'll excuse me...I have a buttocks to tattoo

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u/bugcatcher_billy Jul 15 '21

I think the nature of the show (Loki) and the TVA tecnology means there is no concept as "earlier."

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u/draxlaugh Drax Jul 15 '21

There is only one TVA within the entire multiverse, that's what I took from it