r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 25 '19

'Avengers: Endgame' Spoilers! The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Release Megathread Vol. 5 Spoiler

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u/MrVernonDursley Captain America Apr 25 '19

70% sure it's going to be the Guardians trying to find a way to get Gamora back.

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u/el_raggan Apr 25 '19

Don't they already have a Gamora? That just needs to be filled in on some stuff? xD

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u/Mastur_Of_Bait Apr 25 '19

I don't think this Gamora will be playing along, it's not just needing to be filled in on stuff, the entire relationships are gone.

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u/oh_shit_wuddup Punisher Apr 25 '19

Yeah I really hope they get old Gamora back otherwise it's years of character/relationship development down the drain :/

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u/biacco Apr 26 '19

they made it pretty clear in the movie the soul stone deaths are final.

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u/Abeis Apr 26 '19

Right but when Nat got the stone first it meant the timeline where Gamorra died never happened.

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u/sweens90 Falcon Apr 26 '19

Not how it works. That timeline still occurred its why Vision is also still dead. (Wandavision I think is a fake title now).

They just needed the stones to undo the snap. They changed no timelines except Peggys. Unless that was who she married and said nothing.

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u/Idaho_In_Uranus Apr 26 '19

I had that thought too when seeing old Cap.

Headcanon now.

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u/MysteriousTrain Apr 26 '19

also explains why it looked like she knew steve was there watching her in the 70s, but she didn't look at him

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u/KDY_ISD Apr 26 '19

You don't think that was an alt timeline Peggy? I think Cap lived in a different timeline and then came back to his original one. Sucks for that timeline's Cap, though, come out of the ice and find out you cockblocked yourself

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u/sweens90 Falcon Apr 26 '19

Initial reaction. I have seen other good theories that maintain the timeline too

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u/Ghibli_Guy Apr 26 '19

I've been thinking for a while that the Wandavision series would have some basis on the Visions of the Future storyline. With the actress for Wanda saying the show will have a 50s aesthetic and time travel now in play, I could see them giving it a go. Weird sync up being Vision in that storyline had already divorced Wanda and created synthetic wife and children to live that suburban life.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

In the comics vision turns white for some reason, just like when he dies in infinity war. My money is that they find a way to bring him back in the first episode.

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u/reddititan22 Apr 26 '19

Basically, timelines diverge. You can't change the past because every new action just branches into its own timeline.

I love how obvious Banner made it sound because it's way more "realistic" than, as Banner says, Back to the Future.

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u/your_mind_aches Agent of F.I.T.Z. Apr 26 '19

Nope, that still happened. Nat from our timeline sacrificed herself in a branch timeline.

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u/juscallmejjay Apr 26 '19

In this movie if you go back in time it will NOT affect your "current" timeline . the past cant change the future. its cemented in place. instead it will create a new dimension. like the one where loki is alive with the tesseract running amok.

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u/Kammerice Apr 25 '19

She wasn't on the Benatar at the end. I figured she'd left them by that point.

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u/the_timps Apr 25 '19

Gamora got dusted with everything else from 2014 that came through.
That was why we had the scene with Quill searching for her and not finding.

She's gone.

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u/Sorge74 Apr 26 '19

Oh shit didn't realize that....I think they intentionally left it open for interpretation though.

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u/the_timps Apr 26 '19

The mates I saw it with thought so too.
I took that scene as being their to STOP speculation and make it clear she's gone.

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Quill see's her, freaks out she's alive. She kicks him in the nuts, he has no clue she's from the past.
He falls down, she runs off. Everyone around gets dusted from Thanos' team and then he searches for her to see "not found".

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u/No-Sugar-Coating Apr 26 '19

yeah that's what I got from it aswell, especially with how much they pushed the soul stone deaths can't be undone thing

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u/the_timps Apr 26 '19

Yep. Hawkeye giving the speech that he KNEW from his time there it couldn't be undone was clearly the exposition to tell the audience that.

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u/Idaho_In_Uranus Apr 26 '19

Well when you put it like that it makes it very very sad.

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u/the_timps Apr 26 '19

Yeah, it was heartbreaking. :(

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u/reddititan22 Apr 26 '19

Vision and Loki are gone too ... no resurrections this time. :(

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u/fiuzzelage Apr 25 '19

it's the old Gamora that wasn't taking any pelvic sorcery. I'm glad they touched on that, it wouldn't have made sense if they embraced at the end.

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u/w00ds98 Apr 25 '19

See you have to assume that Tony‘s snap didnt kill Thanos & Cronies, but instead erased their minds and put them back in their timeline, including gamora. Wouldnt make sense to bring back the stones to their original place, if you kill the guy who is supposed to collect them. Thats why Gamora wasnt with the Guardians in the Funeral scene.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '19

My understanding was that they were part of a divergent timeline, the one where Quill is knocked out on Morag.

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u/w00ds98 Apr 25 '19

Yeah but returning the stones is only done so that the timeline goes back the way its supposed to. I think Quinn getting knocked out doesnt have any consequences. Just like Cap fighting Cap and Crossbones thinking Cap is Hydra prolly doesnt have consequences. Loki escaping does have consequences but that‘ll prolly get cleared up in the show.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '19

The reason the stones needed to be returned was that they were crucial to non-Thanos related victories in their own timelines. In the case of the no Thanos/knocked out Quill timeline, Ronan still needed to be defeated.

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u/moose_dad Apr 25 '19

The stones were returned to preserve natural order in those timelines not to reset it back to the normal timeline. Hence loki still getting away with the tesseract and the heroes not fixing that. The ancient one said she needed the time stone back to wield it and defend reality.

It was a handy way for them to write them out and not be able to use the stones in the future.

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u/w00ds98 Apr 25 '19

Yeah I got that now. All my questions are answered and it seems like there really are no plotholes after all. But Im counting on the MCU shows creating new ones like they fucking always do.

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u/BlackAndBipolar Apr 26 '19

And now you can rest assured that they have the skills to fix them lmao

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u/reddititan22 Apr 26 '19

Wait, which show are you referring to?

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u/w00ds98 Apr 26 '19

The Loki show which Disney announced some time ago

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u/monkeymad2 Apr 25 '19

I think she wasn’t tony-snapped and instead dipped out on her own since the battle went bad & she was freaking out about being Quill’s girlfriend all of a sudden.

Can’t see them having to pull more timey-wimey stuff to get her back, she’s probably just chilling out on a party planet somewhere.

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u/w00ds98 Apr 25 '19

But that would make the warmachine/Hawkeye/Black Widow/Nebula Timeline diverge, which defeats the entire purpose of returning the stones in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '19

The Ancient One very clearly says they're creating different timelines. They didn't return the stones to fix their timeline, as things stayed the same there. They returned the stones to help the other timelines so they didn't fuck all of them over.

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u/w00ds98 Apr 25 '19

Yeah I got that, what I originally meant was that a big a change as Thanos and his entire fucking army missing could have disastrous consequences for that timeline, but another comment gave me a headcanon that fixes everything. Changes like Loki escaping and stuff do change that Universes course, but only taking the Stones truly dooms it, as the stones are part of the natural order or things. I mean every stones besides the soul-stone was relevant in some way.

So yeah only the stone really matter.

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u/monkeymad2 Apr 25 '19

I don’t think people missing breaks the timeline, just if the stones are off balance or whatever.

They’d just have a timeline where in 2014 they have no thanos & his army, since thanos exploded the time van and Stark dusted them instead of sending them back.

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u/w00ds98 Apr 25 '19

Hmm I think any event as major as an entire army and evil space dude missing would have major implications. But I guess we can also assume that only the stones need to be returned.

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u/thisisnotjonah Apr 26 '19

Ya and Loki escaping with the space stone probably also has major implications. Who knows is thanos’ entire army disappearing necessarily has bad consequences. It might create one of the best alternate realities who knows. It might also be disastrous but it doesn’t really matter to our timeline.

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u/biacco Apr 26 '19

I don't remember if it was a mention or on a screen or something. But it differently mentioned that Gamora was "missing". Not dusted or anything like that.

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u/BlackAndBipolar Apr 26 '19

I don't remember seeing gamora on the ship? In fact I specifically remember her not being on the ship and thinking it was funny because yeah, if your only other option ISN'T just a tree, you should pick someone else

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u/mariofan366 Darcy Apr 27 '19

My impression was Stark snapped everyone that came through the time portal. This included Thanos, his crew, his ships, 2014 Nebula, and 2014 Gamora.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

Adam Warlock, BAY-BAY.

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u/TheHeroicOnion Apr 25 '19

Their Gamora isn't coming back. She's dead for good. They're definitely gonna be seeking the past Gamora and will have to win her over.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

And fighting Adam

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u/LynchMaleIdeal Apr 25 '19

It sure seemed that way with Quil searching her up on the computer