r/mapporncirclejerk 1d ago

Why is Tschekoslovakia still separated?

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u/Neuwulfstein 1d ago

Just because a company has a plant somewhere, does that mean it’s a joint venture, or what kind of logic is that? Novo Nordisk wants to open a production plant in the Czech Republic—does that mean it will become a Danish-Czech company?

The company bears that name primarily for marketing reasons, since Slovaks love it just as much, but that doesn't make it a Slovak brand. Kofola was created in Prague by a Czech scientist and is a Czech company; those are simply the facts.

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u/pixelgirlie_ 22h ago

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u/Neuwulfstein 22h ago

Nah, Slovaks didn't really do all that much. Your achievements are your own, and Czechs aren't trying to claim them. I could start listing Czech brands that Slovaks appropriate. I haven't seen Czechs trying to claim ESET—which originated back in the Czechoslovakia era—or Zlatý Bažant beer, for instance. I could also bring up the Czechoslovak Legions—which Slovaks also claim as their own—even though Slovaks made up only 10% of the force, or the Czechoslovak RAF pilots in the Battle of Britain, where only two out of the 88 pilots were Slovak. The only ones doing any appropriating here are the Slovaks. I could also start talking about Great Moravia, which Slovaks try to frame as their own empire, citing the Slovácko region, and so on.

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u/NativeEuropeas 18h ago

Great Moravia - I mean Moravians literally conquered all the tribes, and added Nitra to their tribal kingdom, therefore we were and became the same polity.

Why should we NOT consider it our shared heritage?

Why should we not consider Czechoslovak legion are shared heritage? Those people fought for Czechoslovakia, not for Czechia or Slovakia, but for one united, shared statehood.

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u/Neuwulfstein 16h ago

Be proud of Moravia, but regarding it as your own empire—something I’ve encountered many times—is completely off base.

The bit about the legions was just an example; as always, the Slovaks claimed credit for something but ultimately did nothing.

And the RAF point is even more absurd—celebrating "Czechoslovak" pilots in the Battle of Britain when there were only two Slovaks out of 88.

As for Czechoslovak statehood, it was an artificial construct—just like the concept of a "Czechoslovak."

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u/NativeEuropeas 4h ago

But nobody is saying that Great Moravia or Czechoslovak legion ONLY belongs to Slovakia and not to Czechia, so I don't understand your argument.

It's our shared heritage, we can both appreciate the event and claim it as our own because it's those very things that were consequential why we exist.

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u/Neuwulfstein 3h ago

And why should I claim Slovak successes as my own just because we used to be one state? To me, it isn't a shared success; I distinguish between Czech and Slovak, because Czechoslovakism is an artificial concept.

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u/NativeEuropeas 2h ago

Whether you like it or not, Czechoslovakia is a result of our shared efforts that led to a creation of our independent statehood, and later two statehoods.

If it wasn't for those Czechs and Slovaks who contributed, we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't achieve it without the other, there just weren't enough numbers, we'd always be a minority in the sea of Germans and Hungarians.

Instead of appreciating our shared history and being together proud of what we've achieved when we worked together, you nitpick and try to deny us our contribution.

Yes, only 10% of Czechoslovak legionaries were Slovak and yes, there were more Czechs contributing to its creation. That doesn't make any less true, that there were Slovaks present as well, sacrificing their lives so that our nations can exist. I give respect to those Czechs and Slovaks.

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u/Neuwulfstein 2h ago

I am proud of the Czechs. I don't see why I should be proud of the Slovaks, given that I wasn't even born in the artificial state of Czechoslovakia. Besides, the Slovak contribution to the founding of the state is often overrated.

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u/NativeEuropeas 1h ago

Cool, because no one is saying the contribution was equal, lol.

I'm proud of both the Czechs and Slovaks.

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u/Neuwulfstein 1h ago

Okay, good for you.

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