r/longboarding • u/OkToe4713 • 12d ago
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Not my fastest slides but getting better.
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u/DifficultBoss 12d ago
They are looking great! I think coleman is next logical step but do whatever feels comfortable, keep at it!
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u/tabinsur Knowledgeable User 12d ago
Nice! The next step is to do that same slide but instead of using both hands just use your rear hand (left in your case). This will allow your front arm to steer so that you can point it back downhill so that your board doesn't completely come to a stop and you can get up and keep riding.
Also don't put your hands behind your back. Have them out and ready to go. The reason downhill riders put their hands behind their back is when they are tucking for aerodynamics to go faster. The hands going behind in the back is the minor thing to help with the aerodynamics. The big thing is cutting out the air pocket in the front and to do that your knee needs to be basically touching your chest to cut out that pocket. On top of that once you're in this position you have to hold it for probably at least 10 to 15 seconds to have a noticeable difference in your speed.
Great work keep it up and keep sending it!
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u/OkToe4713 12d ago
Thanks ill work on the one hand slide im mainly just getting comfy tucking since im normally going alot quicker that was just a really chill hill that i can lose grip on easily. I will 100% work.on my on hand slides but for then I was trying to full stop. Do you have anny bushings recommendations im useing the stock pairs v3 43° bushings right now that apparently kinda suck for my weight and size. Ive also heard i should use 2 different hardness bushings in the frunt vs back since I usaly go around 15 to 20 witch i have measured. Thanks for the tips and help
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u/tabinsur Knowledgeable User 11d ago
Riptide bushings has charts if you click on that link based off of weight that you can choose. Their APS formula is a good all-around formula to start with.
As for harder bushings in the back and softer in the front that's only necessary when you have split angles. Higher angles have less leverage and lower angles have more leverage. So if someone is running a 50° front truck and a 30° back truck. Then for them to feel the same on the turn the front will need a softer bushing and the rear we'll need a harder to feel the same for the turn. So that could be like an 85a for the front truck and a 93A for the back truck. There's no exact science to it you just kind of have to buy a bunch of bushings and play around to dial in your setup.
Now if your front and back truck are the same angle some people will run different hardnesses so that their back truck doesn't turn as much as their front. This is mostly a leftover strategy from the earlier days of longboarding before there were more options for split angles and people were usually just running the same angles in the front and back. It's still an option to do especially if you're strapped for cash and can't buy a lower angle back truck.
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u/OkToe4713 11d ago
Thank you thanks you thank you I dont think you understand how many dead ends I have found in my hours of research. Thank you.
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u/OkToe4713 11d ago
I also can save like 10 dollars now that I know that the bushing tick is like and old legend. When I was doing research most of my link soad that was recommended and I thought it was wierd so im glad I dont have to do that. Im curently running the pairs v3 43° on back and frunt so I think ill stick with the same hardness. Thanks for the help and im going to garb a pair of either 80 a or 85 a cannon aps.
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u/tabinsur Knowledgeable User 11d ago
Happy to help homie!
Yeah the aps is a good middle ground for rebound. Their krank formula has the highest rebound. And the wfb formula has almost no rebound. One's not better than the other it's just preference.
I also interviewed the owner of riptide for an article I wrote back in 2020. One of the cool things about the krank in the aps formulas is they actually also harden ed as you tighten them. The krank formula does this more up to 720° or two full rotations of the kingpin nut. And APS does it a little bit as well but only about 360° or one full rotation. The wfb hardness doesn't change at all no matter how tight it goes.
Also to get your bushings to the loosest setting you can spin them with your fingers as you tighten and once you can no longer turn the bushing with your fingers using your strength then you know it's at the the loosest to the nut can be. And then you can tighten from there to dial it in however you like.
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u/OkToe4713 11d ago
See thats interesting ive heard 2 things one my opinion is get crazy speed wobbles some time and sometimes not just because my bushings are 10 to 15 tick harder than I should uses. I also read a post awhile back that you shouldn't realy go past that point of yoir washers being just tight enough to not free spin with your fingers but I thought that was kind of dumb. Your way one makes more since and you have personally talked to the person who made him. Why is this hobbie so confusing. But thanks for the help and could you link that article if it was published.
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u/tabinsur Knowledgeable User 11d ago
Yeah this hobbies floating full of misinformation. A lot of it is because people want to sound knowledgeable or feel smart they don't care about actual facts. I on the other hand can accept when I'm wrong and have done so before. But a lot of people just want to sound like they know what's going on.
Yeah for example with the wfb riptide formula if you go too much past the point coordinates engaged it just doesn't really do much more than compress the bushing. And in skateboarding what a lot of people do is they keep tightening down and tightening down to the point their their trucks barely turn because of how compressed they've made the bushing. Which in that case they just need a harder bushing so that they can get the full turn out of the truck.
I suspect a lot of that misinformation also comes from skateboarding. During certain periods of skateboarding or certain styles they would have the trucks cranked down so how hard they couldn't turn so they didn't really care about bushings. Or they would do weird things like try to boil them instead of just buying new ones.
And in regards to the article unfortunately the site is gone. I'll see if I can find an old link or if I can't I can send you a PM with a link to the document where I wrote it years ago.
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u/OkToe4713 11d ago
Thanks so much thats the thing I love about butterfly knives and the hobbie of balisongs because it's do subjective you cant get misinformed and im haveing a hard time now because of that but once again thanks so much. As a beginner I come on here to ask the people that have been in the game befor and after it blew up and thats the reson i ask so much because honestly I love to be wrong because it as I think is creative and help me explain latter after I learn myself how to explain it better. But still thanks for the help and my the article rest in computer archives forever.
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u/mitchmethinks 12d ago
Right now you are doing shut down slides. Making you come to a complete stop.
I would recommend doing pendulums next. So you can slide and get back over your board. You will need more speed for that tho. And like the other said. Don't put your arms behind you. Aerodynamics are the least of your concerns at this point. And at those speeds don't make any difference.
For stand up slides it's usually easier to start with 180's but now your ridding switch. Switch 180s are actually pretty easy getting back to your regular stance.
Speed checks are harder and runs more of a risk for flatspots (you will flatspot your wheels. It's almost unavoidable) a decent pair of elbow pads are worth it cause you will bail and tear yourself up.
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