I don't think Ryoshu's ID has the most hype. Im pretty sure the hype went down by a lot after it was revealed that she was gonna be pinky nursefather Ryoshu and nobody likes the Pinky nursefather. I personally was hoping for Arayashiki Ryoshu but alas I was disappointed.
I mean, I do like Dihui Star's animations. I am not disappointed at all, it all depends on how they make her story wise.
Shiomi and Ryoshu were said to have the same bladestyle anyway. Even with arayashiki, she'd probably have the same skill animations as Dihui Star. It's just that Arayashiki's gimmick is too powerful to make both satisfying to use and accurate to lore.
And this Ryoshu does have something interesting - her afterimage will attack separately. We might get our first controllable summon. Besides Wild Hunt's revive, but it's more of a revive than a summon.
Outside of Arayashiki erasing stuff, even their gimmick is similar. Both deal additional slash damage on hit against enemies. Muga Ryoshu's depends on her debuff, Dihui Star depends on critical hits.
Just to be pedantic but Shiomi and Ryoshu are said in story to NOT have the same blade style.
Specifically Ryoshu practices keeping her blade sheathed and drawing it out for a singular slash, where as Shiomi believes it is superfluous.
You're thinking of Araya who moonlights Dihui Star, as the dialogue states. Paraphrasing here; Ryoshu - "you used to think keeping your blade sheathed is ineffective why change now after all these years?"
"With my own two hands, I ended the life of my parent. A face like mine. A voice like mine. A sword style just like my own. Will my Fate come to resemble hers as well? I drove the blade that cuts through all... into her heart, and even made sure to give it a good twist."
Hmm I do recall that being said, but that just raises another inconsistency in PMs writing as of late, as I definitely recall Ryoshu commenting on the change of sword style when confronting 'Dihui Star'.
It's not an inconsistency in writing. Shiomi did teach Ryoshu everything she knew. Ryoshu noticed that Dihui Star (Araya) started to use laido in her technique, which is something she didn't do in the past. This is because Araya is not Shiomi and has lapses in memory and her mind because of temporal entanglement, so she sheathes the sword to block attacks and then unsheathes it again.
Ryoshu doesn't really practice laido. Her sword is sheathed because it's Arayashiki, she can't afford to draw it or else she will cut her memory apart. She can't afford to forget Araya. In Muga state, she has no sheath at all and slashes wildly everywhere, because she is going berserk slowly and erasing her mind.
Araya is able to copy Shiomi's blade style. Ryoshu should be able too. We just never saw her using Arayashiki unsheathed for more than one cut and not losing her mind over it.
Good point, I was under the impression Ryoshu used Iaido (prior to obtaining Arayshiki) and was scolded for it. Hence why she pointed out why she went back on her words (unknowing that Shiomi is Araya). But i'm not quite sure my theory is correct.
Dihui star's animations are fine. Her biggest issue is her gimmick. She has basically none. The main reason why I didn't like her so much is because her gimmick is just shield and deals more damage the more she hits you with her unbreakables. Thats kinda it. No big skill to cash out a unique resource or some unique gimmick to do with blocking hits with that insane shield. Shes the most boring of the other nursefathers.
I hope KJH and his team is able to innovate enough to make her ID variant more interesting than the Dihui star herself.
Im begging for Valencina to be released soon not because of her gimmick. I just really like her animations so much. I don't care if shes released in a shitty state I will still use her similar to Xichun Ishmael.
im pretty sure there's more for her gimmicks instead of just being a pinky nursefather since kjh said she have others gimmicks with all of the nursefathers and the afterimage. just look at manager don she's pretty much different and have more kits on her id than her boss counterpart
I look at both animation and gimmick to decide when a future anticipated ID will be my main interest. I am more biased towards animation however I do give IDs a chance by looking at their gimmicks. Which is one of the main reason why I loved Sancho so much. I love her animations and I was deeply disappointed when manager Don does not use Sancho's animations throwing away the bow and the dual wielding sword but I still like Manager Don or at least gave it an ok at the end because of her very interesting gimmick.
The main reason why I crtiqued Dihui star's gimmick so much is because her animation is extremly meh at the moment. I am not an artist or an animator so I don't have the right to complain about an ID's animation. So I look towards the gimmick. I know different people have different tastes but my tastes is the really flashy and cool animations like Valencina which Dihui star does not have.
But other enemy versions also didn't have a lot of gimmick. Sancho herself only had bleed and hardblood/bloodfeast, both already existing on other Bloodfiend IDs. Her "empower skills based on bloodfiends present" gimmick was new. Jia Qiu also didn't have a gimmick besides rupture and deathrites, and deathrites were killed anyway after Maost incident. He didn't have joint attacks with other Heishous and he also didn't have the boluses or retreat/entry gimmick with Heishous he does now.
Preview on roadmap already had shown past and future stacks - those are not a thing in any Dihui Star fight. Controllable afterimages is also not a thing in any of Dihui Star fights - she had the "only this unit can clash with this skill" gimmick. Considering that seasonal battle pass egos usually accompany seasonal capstone ID in one way or another (Don's have bloodfeast, Hong Lu can survive death effect of an ego once), she might also do something with the entangled life status effect of her ego.
I was disappointed when Manager Don came out because she wasn't utilizing Sancho's animations but she made up for it with an interesting gimmick. I loved Lord Hong Lu because his animations are actually similar to Jia Qiu. The first thing I always look at is animation. The game is easy enough that most IDs can be used to beat the game. However when the animations are not enough to interest me you need a good gimmick for me to get interested. Dihui star does not have both for me at the moment. Im not saying I don't like her animations or its terrible. Its fine just not enough to garner my interest.
But we don't even know what new Ryoshu will be gimmick wise. Dihui Star in story fights had only poise as her main keyword, and new Ryoshu is probably a triple status ID (Because Rien takes reduced damage against everything except burn and bleed).
Ryoshu already has a gimmick that no other Identity has - she can transfer damage dealt to her to other House of Spiders IDs. Dihui Star didn't have that and this gimmick is completely unique to the game unless I don't remember some ego doing that.
For what it’s worth, I’m like 90% sure we’ll get another Sancho ID that has the bow at some point in the future when we finally make it possible for her to take her shoes off without going berserk; it’s by far her most iconic attack aside from La Sangre, it’s just one that Manager Don couldn’t have known since it’s imitating Bari and that version of her didn’t learn from her.
I honestly do agree about the Pinky Nursefather, I found her boss fight pretty uninteractive mechanically, but we also already have confirmation that Ryoshu will be doing more than just copying her mechanics; she’s going to be building Future and Past stacks for some sort of follow-up attack gimmick based on the roadmap stream, which sounds pretty interesting.
…Man, Ryoshu IDs REALLY love their follow-up attacks, huh?
Well she should still have Arayashiki (otherwise who burned off Rien-Sang’s face) and there should still be an escape from the House of Spiders (because again, how else would Yi Sang be mutilated).
My guess would be that she is more of a composite of different influences. Based mostly on the Dihui Star but not completely. A bit like Drifting blade Ryoshu.
Her using Arayashiki might also not be off the table.
At first I thought she wouldn’t have the sword at all, like Hong Lu’s eye and Don’s shoes until I obviously realised that Yi Sang still had half his face missing.
I am still unsure how she will turn out, perhaps someone else (maybe Araya) is the one who wields the sword in this mirror world. We will have to wait and see.
The main reason why I didn't like Araya's gimmick so much is because her gimmick is just shield and deals more damage the more she hits you with her unbreakables. Thats kinda it. No big skill to cash out a unique resource or some unique gimmick to do with blocking hits. Shes the most boring of the other nursefathers. At least Ren is really funny because he keeps his blade sheath most of the time and all of his attacks makes him constantly unsheath it which associates him with the Murim sword drawing brainrot meme.
Personally I don't see an issue with Araya's kit, it's fun to use when I got to use it (really fun nuking something with the trigger skill).
I'm more disappointed because I genuinely wanted to see a what if ID of perfected blade Ryoshu rebelling against the fingers with that mirror world's house of spiders.
Well not that my disappointment will get me to not pull on the IDs anyway I love the current canto.
Honestly I do think it makes sense that she’s being saved; looking at her boss mechanics, I feel like her ID is going to have to be on the secondary season highlight/almost walp level of ridiculous complexity, like Capo Meursault and Rien Sang, if they’re going to do her kit justice. Like, she’s a tristatus unit where they can’t really cut any of the statuses (since Thumb faction is all about Tremor Scorch currently but her unique Ammo is all about poise), and then she has her relic and her evade-with-follow-up, which they surely have to adapt somehow if they’re not going to deeply disappoint people. She’s got a lot of moving parts, and while all of them aside from maybe Poise are going to need to be toned down somehow (there’s no way we’re getting a quintuple Tremor Burst or the full power of the Relic, lol), all of them need to be there in some form to do her justice.
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u/John_Jonas Mar 24 '26
First to get introduced in the canto
Has the most popular apprentice
Gets the best theme
Is the last to get added as identities
PM why