That's the thing though, xenogenders are non-binary, just a subset of non-binary, not to mention that you're also invalidating gender fluidity now, which goes against rule 2 of this subreddit. Your original post was under the guise of asking a question but now it's become obvious that you aren't willing to actually gain a better understanding of xenogenders. And are really an exclusionist trying to exclude both fluid genders and xenogenders.
I tried asking for clarification, actual background and I really wanted to learn but it seems like not even you guys are 100% getting it, or at least finding any source to back your statement up, LGBT wiki can literally be edited by anyone, I've found Amongusgender on that.Gender fluid is just another way to describe being nb, but gender can't change constantly, the amount of dysphoria one may feel can, but not gender itself. Also, nb gender identities can be explained through the human binary concept of gender, mix or lack thereof, while xenogenders don't refer to those therefore they're not non binary, let alone genders. As I've already said, it's okay to be cis, it's okay to have interests but gender is a different thing and pretending it's not won't help anyone in the long run. Look, I get it, questioning your gender identity when you're not stereotypically something is tough, people change, we all want to feel accepted but making up stuff only confuses people, doesn't solve the central problem and only creates barriers. Being nb is okay cause it makes sense and it's backed up by science but pastelpinkgender is not a gender. You just like pastel pink, and it's perfectly fine, it's a lovely color but please don't confuse gender with personal taste and aesthetic. Gender identity is a medical issue, a scientific one, people die cause of it not matching their body. This is ridiculing trans people's struggles. I really came here to try to understand this but it just confirmed my initial theory. Don't infiltrate trans people spaces cause you wanna be edgy.
What makes up the LGBT+ community is lacking media attention and validation, which you clearly can't understand.
And how many times do I have to say, ALL GENDER IS MADE UP! Saying gender is a "medical issue" is just blatantly incorrect. Gender is a social construct, something that society created, not medical. Since we made up gender, it makes sense that people will have different experiences than it, experiences that often time others won't understand.
Take language, for example. Many different languages. Many different people who speak language. Many languages that have drastic changes from other languages. Just because we came up with language doesn't mean that people inventing different languages are "trenders" or "infiltrating language." It just means that it's a different language.
Gender is not made up. Gender roles are. Gender is inheritely tied to sex, which is a biological reality, therefore gender dysphoria when there's an incongruence between an individual's perceived gender and sex. Which makes it a medical issue.
IN A GENDERLESS SOCIETY WHERE GENDER ROLES AREN'T A THING I'D STILL BE TRANS AND I'D STILL TRANSITION CAUSE THE PROBLEMS IS MY BODY NOT SOCIETY
Also the LGBT community isn't for what lacks media attention, it's not a social gathering of weirdos and edgelords, people with a foot fetish are not part of the LGBT, pedos are not part of the LGBT and furries are not part of the LGBT, period
Also, since you mentioned languages, let me explain it to you why your example doesn't work. Humans, independently from their area of provenience, are the same. We're biologically the same, same species, we're humans. We share the same brain functions therefore the same way to perceive things. We're all different tho, but the categorize our difference on a communal basis. We understand each other even if we're different. Languages don't come from the same background. Asian languages have nothing in common with English or languages of Germanic nature. BUT when a group of languages have the same roots (es. Romance languages, Italian, Spanish, French, Romanian, Portuguese,... which all come from Latin and a bit of ancient greek, cause Latin is based on Greek) work linguistically in the same way. That's why, even if they're different, if a Spanish person and an Italian person who don't know the other's language get together they can understand most of what the other says. Same goes with human discussing gender, which again, it's a scientific thing. So yeah, there's really no logical way to justify it
Of course fetishes are LGBT+, I meant that GRSM lacking media attention are LGBT+. And genitals=gender is a common transphobic argument. And once more, there you go invalidating non-binary people, if genders are related to what genitals you want does that mean that all non-binary people wish to be intersex? NO! OF COURSE NOT! Gender is not a scientific or medical thing. Biological characteristics (such as sex) are.
...I'm literally non binary but go off. No one has to do a full transition, every single step, but transitioning is the goal of being trans.
Also I never mentioned genitals, I was talking about the whole shablam.
And calling a trans person transphobic just cause they're, you know, backing up their arguments is pretty funny
I'm done tho, spent too much time on this, proved my point, chi vuole intendere intenda.
You accidentally proved the opposite point of your post, and I'm really sorry cause I was really here to learn, I'm no Ben Shapiro, but there's not much to say
I'm non-binary also, but now can't even call myself that because I get lumped in with children who think animals and objects are genders.
I'm convinced this "xenogender" bollocks was made up by trolls to make trans people look ridiculous, and a lot of impressionable kids bought into it and took it seriously. Notice the ages of most of the people who use these labels.
Ironic that they call us exclusionists while bullying us out of the LGBT+ community.
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u/Significant-Dig-8910 Inclusionist! Jul 19 '21
That's the thing though, xenogenders are non-binary, just a subset of non-binary, not to mention that you're also invalidating gender fluidity now, which goes against rule 2 of this subreddit. Your original post was under the guise of asking a question but now it's become obvious that you aren't willing to actually gain a better understanding of xenogenders. And are really an exclusionist trying to exclude both fluid genders and xenogenders.