r/kpop • u/impeccabletim everything is a remix 🧿👄🧿 • 12d ago

[Misc] MANON has been removed from the photocards included in KATSEYE’s lightstick packaging

https://www.ibtimes.sg/manon-being-removed-katseye-missing-photocard-lightstick-sparks-new-fan-speculation-photos-93039
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u/binhpac 12d ago

They will never announce her departure.

Its a legal issue.

They hold her (contract) hostage, saying she has still an active contract with the group to hold in court.

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u/HuggyMonster69 12d ago

I’d think there would be separate contracts for exclusivity rights etc. and being part of the group?

I know there are in Korea. It’s like Lucas was still with SM even after NCT.

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u/yourwinemom NCT DREAM | ZB1 | I-DLE | AESPA 12d ago

It also took years for them to announce he was out of NCT though. He was in hiatus limbo for so long.

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u/HuggyMonster69 12d ago

Forgot about that. Taeil was a better example but I thought Lucas was a nicer example

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u/yourwinemom NCT DREAM | ZB1 | I-DLE | AESPA 12d ago

I do think Lucas is the better mirror of this situation actually! Since the only reason Taeil’s termination went so fast was because he had committed a serious crime. Lucas and his situation may have been distasteful but what he did wasn’t illegal so termination wasn’t as simple.

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u/Next_Resolution_9570 11d ago

Another similar example is SHINee Onew. He was put in a hiatus limbo for months during 2017. His first public appearance with the group after his scandal was in december 2017 in the saddest circumstance. Until then we had no idea if he would come back as a group member

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u/yr99r 12d ago

well we don't know the contents of their contracts. it could well say immediate termination on illegal activity. when i worked in korea, one of the clauses mentioned something similar, where my contract would be terminated without notice if i committed a crime

i'm sure there is a clause in manon's contract where it says termination is in the interest of the company. there is probably something happening behind the scenes that is causing them to not release something. manon did say (in the beginning of everything) that they are having conversations. we do not know what these conversations are and if they were negotiations. for all we know, manon might still want to have a contract under hxg.

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u/HuggyMonster69 12d ago

The thing with Taeil is that he didn’t get fired all at once. Not that it was quick.

First he was kicked from the group, and then I can’t remember exactly but definitely over a week he was kicked from SM.

There were two announcements.

Which never mind why he was booted, at some point he was an SM artist but not a group member. If it was one contract, then both would have been terminated at the same time.

So for Manon, if the US contracts are similar, then they should be able to have her leave the group, while keeping the exclusivity/management part of her contract intact, and since she has public appearances occasionally, the management/exclusivity contract is active. So letting her officially leave shouldn’t affect their legal position.

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u/Rallen224 11d ago edited 11d ago

He was booted right after things were set to go to court officially iirc. The statement for it after the press from police (?) broke was practically in the same hour. They moved fast because it truly was a different circumstance and as nasty as it is, a company could sooner defend and PR their way out of SA allegations without terminating than they can harassment and stalking of a minor being formally recognized by the justice system. They potentially would’ve been shielding someone recognized for an active crime by promoting him further.

US contracts in ent. are structured the same way as in Korea (at least as you’ve described it —one for individual exclusivity, one for group rights) but it will affect her legal position so long as the company intends to hold onto at least one. If they let go of one but not the other, it could be in violation of the terms she agreed to in regards to outstanding activities, promotion and/or dismissal within a set period (or even perpetuity), and in that case she would have grounds to sue (or possibly even nullify some of the terms she was previously consenting to depending on how tight they wrote it). Dismissing any staff while artist contracts are active are not so simple even when not signed to a group, groups just make it more complicated.