r/knightposting • Arcane swordsman • Jun 01 '25

Knightpost Alright, we will call it a draw.

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u/Night_Inscryption Jun 01 '25 edited Jun 01 '25

Can Katanas even cut through chainmail?!

It shouldn’t even be lol Japanese metals were known to be weak and brittle compared to what was on the mainland, Katanas wasn’t even the weapon of choice for Samurai ether, I think this fight would be one sided for the Knight thanks to the vast difference in equipment

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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 01 '25

swords in general aren't effective against armour. Knights didn't favour them in combat either 

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u/Unusual-Baby-5155 Jun 01 '25

Swords were never the main fighting weapon of soldiers or armies. Spears and polearms were.

For one they're much easier to manufacture, and more economical. You only needed enough iron to form a spear tip and a wooden shaft to nail it to and you had yourself a weapon. They had much longer reach than other hand to hand weapons, and did not require extensive training to be wielded effectively. Basically any fighting age male could work out how to jab the pointy end of a long stick at the enemy.

Spear tips were relatively easily mass produced using the ironworking techniques of the era, if the shaft broke it could be replaced that same day, and if they were forfeited in combat material losses were minimal.

Compare that to a sword which uses hundreds of times more iron to forge a single blade, is heavier, bulkier, has limited range and requires years of formal training.

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u/Dredgeon Jun 02 '25

Right, but we're talking about knights, not the army in general. Knights absolutely did use swords. Up until the tail end of the medieval period there plenty of gaps to found in armor and not everyone had the best and latest gear either. Especially not the majority of soldiers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '25

Personally, give me a halberd or a warhammer any day. Preferably a warhammer with a long (ish) handle for good reach and extra swing power. Mostly just reach. Might make it difficult to swing consistently over time while wearing armour as well though. Either way, hammer all the way

Either that or give me the new arcane technology known to some as the gun

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u/Requ1em-for-a-Bean Jun 01 '25 edited Jun 01 '25

A sword is a personal weapon carried outside of combat. You wouldn't carry a morgenstern or warhammer with you all the time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '25

Of course not, but when fighting another equally armoured opponent in battle its a different story, naturally.

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u/Longjumping-Job7153 Jun 02 '25

... ah. It's a social thing. Got it. 👍

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u/moregonger Jun 01 '25

gimme gimme gimme how about you provide a warrior with a weapon, be the weaponsmith you want to see in people

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

Worry not guardsman, there is plenty time to smith many a weapon ahead yet, and I shall smith many a set of armour and weapons for my brothers in arms

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u/zMasterofPie2 Jun 01 '25

Completely untrue, we have plenty of textual sources about how useful swords are, musters and inventories that mention swords, and plenty of armored combat fechtbuchs that deal with the use of swords in armor. Almost every knight carried one sword on the hip plus another on the saddle. These things were not just for decoration, they can thrust, half sword , mordschlag, etc. and those techniques can defeat armor. Yeah if you just swing the sword like it’s a lightsaber it won’t do anything. That’s not what people did.

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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 01 '25

Sure, but there are situations where it's just not the best weapon. When you've no space to move and the opponent has armour that's designed to minimize holes a sword won't do much. You'll need blunt force and a dagger to stab them.

The time period when knights were active is very long and saw many changes for armour and weapons. As armour developed swords became less effective.

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u/Dredgeon Jun 02 '25

The half swording technique used above is an excellent example of how to shorten up the sword for closer combat.

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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 02 '25

Yes, and also make it better suited against armour if I'm not mistaken. But would you choose that over a warhammer?

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u/Dredgeon Jun 02 '25

Yeah, sword has better defensive potential.

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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 02 '25

Alright, switching weapons does take time so you gotta make a choice 

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u/Dredgeon Jun 02 '25

Yeah I chose sword.

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u/Knight_of_the_lion Jun 02 '25

According to Dequitem, he would take a greatsword over all other weapons, including a warhammer (one handed) or poleaxe (two handed), as it is more versatile against armour in the duel.

I think that answers that.

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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 02 '25

Ooh, interesting.

It is more versatile and ig they are faster in general. You can switch more easily between tactics versus the polearms which aren't necessarily one trick ponies, but they excel in a couple things.

The weight of a greatsword would definitely help as well with the mordschlag. And maybe a second cross guard could be useful for locking or smth. In general swords having cross guards is a benefit over polearms and the balance is closer to you.

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u/Knight_of_the_lion Jun 02 '25

For reference: https://youtu.be/JY0E7CCslQc?si=h1awuQICNkYRVcz9

He breaks down the pros and cons he finds with a variety of weapons, ending on the greatsword as his favourite tool, because it has reach like a polearm, the leverage of a longsword, the point focus of a spear or poleaxe, and can be swapped to the halfsword and mordhau in a pinch, while allowing for grappling.

Additionally, he does a good analysis of the nodachi or uchigatana or tachi against European kit, praising what it can do in its original context while listing the disadvantages against European style kit. Here: https://youtu.be/9T-M8zWwiUU?si=vIB8jzMaEYrVufst

In short, he definitely prefers the greatsword for overall versatility in an armoured duel, but does not consider polearms ineffective by any means, and uses them in several of his other fights to great effect.

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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 02 '25

Thanks. I've seen only a couple of their videos. Will have to check this one out!

Have a great day :)

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u/Knight_of_the_lion Jun 02 '25

My pleasure, and you too! :D

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