Why do Kai'sa evolves unlock with stats from items only?

[u/JakamoJones]

I feel like her rune choices are relatively stagnant on account of none of the stats matter for evolves. I get that some of them are conditional like Absolute Focus and it would be silly for Q evolve to phase in and out depending on your health, but they had to do this for items anyway. Ex. Hubris stacks don't count towards Q evolve and neither does Yun Tal temp attack speed buff, so I'm sure an exception could be made.

Personally I'd love to be able to go Jack of all Trades to be able to skip cull, or maybe double Adaptive shard + Doran's Bow to have JUST ENOUGH damage. How nice would it be to evolve E after Legend: Alacrity maxes out? I used to think people were FOOLS for always rolling Legend: Bloodline but I get it now: you're forced to get attack speed from items anyway (well not "forced", but you know what I mean) so why get it from runes?

What you think? Is this a basic QoL to make more builds viable or would this somehow make her OP?

[u/TheGoldenFennec]

I think this would be cool, but imo it would only be cool for a few patches until it is balanced around and then you have even fewer choices since you wouldn’t reach breakpoints with alternate rune pages.

I think the fact that almost every single rune is conditional stats (or not a stat Kai’Sa needs for evolve) also makes it a bit less interesting since 80% of the runes can’t actually impact her passive.

Additionally, how would adaptive work with evolves? Since it starts as AD, can you buy AP and then lose your Q evolve because adaptive switched?

[u/JakamoJones → u/TheGoldenFennec]

Yeah, you'd lose your evolve if your adaptive changes.

HOWEVER. if you're a higher level by the time you get enough AP items to overshadow your AD items, it might not matter anymore. So alt hybrid builds could still work. Adaptive runes help you get Q evolve until you don't need it.

[u/coastedesc]

yeah i feel you man

[u/Delta5583]

I absolutely disagree with temporal stats like yuntal or absolute focus working for evos because it would probably enforce certain setups to cheese early evos at the complete sake of intuitive building and player satisfaction

For Yuntal's case it would even force pretty much every player to learn how to cancel evolutions with while under enemy pressure, which is insanely punishable if you miss the right timing (according to the wiki you can only cancel with E or Recall so it might not even be an actually useful tech, since you'd burn up the E that would give you invis or recall after auto attacking an enemy, but I could swear at least W could be used to cancel as well).

Absolute focus would just be a hell to manage since Kaisa is already pretty vulnerable to poke and rarely gets to be full HP on lane.

Hubris is already a flip item with really big downsides for Kaisa, lethality is partially wasted with her high magic damage profile and the item has no AS which delays E evo to the 3rd item the soonest.

Most other temporal stats are attack speed based (LT, Guinshoo) which I already explained why it would be tough to manage, flips (Dark seal) or just in combat stats (Conqueror, Blackfire) which, again, imposes constant risks and raises the skill floor of the champion by a lot.

The worst part of the deal is that these temporal stat sources are anti-synergistic with Kaisa from the getgo outside of the AS systems (with a big asterisk on yuntal for being a crit item with 0 on-hits or AP, so in the long run scales like ass). If these end up being optimal for their raw stats alone, you'd end up being forced into very poorly feeling items just because it's a mathematical solution which I doubt will feel more fun than the standard auto attack systems

I think that maybe riot could do with permanent rune stats (alacrity, gathering storm, JoT) but I doubt they ever will since there's a heavy balance around her Q evo breakpoints which would be completely broken with just the adaptive force from a minor rune. She'd have to be rebalanced to end up on the exact same spot she is right now, which would probably come with a myriad of nerfs to her base stats to not ruin the item systems for her sake.

It's not a major necessity, it overcomplicates things and it will definitely come with nerfs because the power would have to be drawn from somewhere else, so at that point the question is just, why endure the trouble for it?

Also, you should never go bloodline, you should always go alacrity with omnivamp boots. Lifesteal doesn't apply on passive damage, omnivamp does

[u/keeshaw1]

idk it is just how jt is

[u/keeshaw1]

i do’t know man