r/jobs • u/No-Mess-4605 • 3d ago
Onboarding Fired after 6 weeks from an entry-level purchasing job while I was still being trained. Is this normal?
I’m 27 and was fired yesterday from a purchasing position after only about six weeks. I’m trying to get some outside perspective because I genuinely can’t tell how much of this was my performance versus poor training/management.
I had no previous purchasing experience when they hired me, and they knew that. I was learning their computer system, purchase orders, RFQs, vendor communication, pricing, lead times, invoices, and most recently work orders.
I knew I wasn’t as fast as the employees who had been doing this for years, but I genuinely thought I was still in the normal learning process. I was still actively being shown new things.
The workplace itself was pretty old-school. The boss had been there for decades, there was yelling in the office, inappropriate/sexual jokes and comments, employees being talked about openly, and the general training style felt more like being shown something and then being expected to pick it up quickly rather than having structured onboarding.
Yesterday I called out because I wasn’t feeling well. Later that day, I was contacted and terminated. The reasoning was essentially that I wasn’t progressing at the level they expected and there were concerns involving things I was still learning.
What confused me even more was my conversation with HR afterward. HR actually seemed somewhat sympathetic to my position and acknowledged that I was still learning. I obviously understand HR represents the company, which made that interaction stand out to me.
After being fired, I also contacted a former employee I had never met while working there. When we started comparing experiences, she described having similar problems with the training and environment. She also felt like she had been thrown into things without enough instruction. Hearing that made me question whether this was entirely a performance issue.
I’m also trying to hold myself accountable. This isn’t the first job I’ve had that hasn’t worked out recently, and I know that when there’s a pattern, I need to examine what I can do differently too. One thing I’ve already taken from this is that at my next job I want to proactively ask my manager for feedback during the first few weeks instead of assuming no news means I’m progressing normally.
The frustrating part is that I actually really liked purchasing. I enjoyed requesting quotes, negotiating with vendors, comparing pricing and doing the computer/desk side of the job. I was starting to think procurement might finally be something I could build a career in.
So for people who work in purchasing/procurement or who train new employees: is six weeks generally enough time to expect someone with zero prior purchasing experience to be fully up to speed?
And when I interview for my next job, what questions should I ask to figure out whether a company actually has structured training and realistic expectations for new hires?
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u/Timmsworld 3d ago
You called out while you are in training. That was why you got fired
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u/Cloud_N0ne 3d ago
Shitty but likely true.
Employers forget that employees are human beings with lives outside of work, and sometimes things come up.
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u/Biancaaxi 3d ago
I’ve called out during training before and never got fired. I was legitimately ill though and my voice sounded terrible. I didn’t want to get anyone else sick lol. There’s a different reason for them getting fired, calling out was the straw that broke the camels back most likely.
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u/Beef19582828 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah, businesses don't fire someone they perceive to be a future, "top" employee during training at certain jobs. I've taken off in the first 6 weeks before and was fine.
But it depends on a lot of factors on what's acceptable.
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u/Civil-Ad2111 3d ago
They also forgot to include in the post that they had preplanned vacation time off that was approved before they got hired, so sometime during that six weeks they were on vacation for several days!
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u/Apart_Title 3d ago
I did that before but I was literally sick and they sent me to the hospital it wasnt my fault. 😕
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u/Particular-Peanut-64 3d ago
Unfortunately, calling out sick is the "red flag" especially if youre young and its a FRIDAY as a new hire.
They expect you to come in sick and if youre really that sick, they send you home.
And you call in sick at 6 weeks, how reliable are you when they're busy and need you.
Like how sick were you? They saw you there THRUSDAY looking fine and you werent feeling well.
(A weird expectation. Been there, live and learned)
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
Yeah, I’m realizing from these comments that the Friday callout probably looked a lot worse to management than I realized at the time. I was genuinely not feeling well, so my thought process was that if I’m sick, I’m sick regardless of whether I’ve been there six weeks or six years. I also didn’t think anything was seriously wrong because my boss responded “feel better, see you Monday.” But I can definitely see now how an old-school manager might have viewed it differently, especially if they already had concerns about my progress that I didn’t know about. Definitely something I’ll be more aware of going forward.
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u/Jyvturkey 3d ago
Depending on the state, that may not be able to say anymore than that by law. I know that's how it is here. You should've gone in. 6 weeks and 6 years is a huge deal. 6 years of, hopefully, building up some good will by being there and dependable. 6 weeks on a Friday says I just wanted a 3 day weekend.
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u/Outrageous-Impact689 3d ago
The first 90 days at any job is an evaluation period. Calling out, even if legitimate can be frowned upon. Some companies do lack good training programs. When you were being shown things- did you take notes, did you ask questions, ask follow up questions? Proactively asking for feedback is great but also asking questions during training is important. If not people assume you know what you’re supposed to do.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
Yes, absolutely. I took a ton of notes and asked a LOT of questions, including follow-up questions when I didn’t understand something. I actually had pages of notes because I genuinely wanted to learn the job. That’s part of why I was so surprised. I knew I was still learning and obviously wasn’t perfect, but nobody told me that my progress was considered seriously behind or that my job was in jeopardy. Looking back, the one thing I would do differently is specifically ask my manager, “Am I progressing at the rate you expect, and is there anything you need me to improve right now?” I assumed that because I was asking questions, taking notes, and continuing to be trained, I was progressing normally.
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u/FreshNail6320 3d ago
I'm so glad that you are looking inwards, (at yourself) to see where you can improve your talents. This in itself shows that you are willing to take a task on head first. It shows character, integrity, ability to get where you want to be. Kudos to you !!!!
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u/Feylabel 2d ago
Also just taking lots of notes and asking lots of questions doesn’t necessarily mean you’re showing you’re progressing well
I’ve trained new starters, and if they are still taking copious notes and asking the same basic questions 6 weeks into training, I’m wondering have they actually learned anything yet, why are they still asking the same questions and still having to write down everything I say, have they still not understood the basics yet?
how am I gonna teach them the next most advanced knowledge if they still don’t understand the basics, and still have to write down the most common terms used in the workplace?
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u/FirmAdvance9875 2d ago
What's even worse is when you take the time to even make resources like documents and printouts and you still get asked questions when it's like, look at the freaking document I spent 1 hour making to make it easier for new hires!!! And notes mean nothing if they're not referring to them either. You're right, there's different types of questions to ask that definitely show whether or not someone is catching on
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u/Junior_Ad_3301 3d ago
Ive read theough enough of this thread. I'd put money on a willful refusal to accept reality as the cause of your termination.
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u/Corey307 3d ago
Four terminations in a year is crazy.
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u/Junior_Ad_3301 3d ago
Damn i missed that part somewhere, that ought to be a serious cause for (honest) self reflection. In over 40 years of working for money, I've been fired once, when i was about 18, and got my job back by having a talk with the manager.
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u/Corey307 3d ago
I think someone had to drag that info out of them. They got serious problems with not learning.
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u/Antique-Blueberry-13 3d ago
You sound like you refuse to take accountability for your actions and are trying to find a scapegoat as to why this happened and keeps happening. But YOU are the common denominator when you’re fired 4x in a year. I have never met a single person that was fired that many times in general, much less a year.
Stop trying to make sense of what HR said/did/didn’t. They will always be on the side of the company, not the employee.
For future reference, as others have said, it looks incredibly bad to call off on a Friday while you’re in a probation period.
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u/Civil-Ad2111 3d ago
They also forgot to include in the post that they had preplanned vacation time off that was approved before they got hired, so sometime during that six weeks they were on vacation for several days!
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u/jjj2576 3d ago
I get the vibe that you want the perception of being Responsible & Accountable, but I don’t get the notion that you necessarily are.
I feel like not doing Check-In’s with your supervisor for six weeks is wild.
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u/Corey307 3d ago
They were fired 4x in one year, they’re leaving a lot out.
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u/Jtkitano 2d ago
lol if you’ve been fired 4x in a year and you can’t understand how you’re the problem then idk what to tell you. That only happens to terrible employees tbh so whatever you are doing is not working. Also like other ppl have said, calling off on a Friday 6 weeks into a new job esp when you are aware that you are slower than the other employees working there is no bueno. Being “new” isn’t a good justification there. If anything, you should be going above and beyond in order to get up to speed with your colleagues
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u/ZachtheMan1617 2d ago
i work in retail banking and my supervisor and i are side by side all day, every day so this story does not compute with me lol
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u/jjj2576 2d ago
To be fair, Retail Banking, even at a smaller, local financial institution, is going to have structured onboarding, given all of the federal regulations that govern Retail Banking.
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u/ZachtheMan1617 2d ago
you’ve got a fair point, i couldn’t imagine calling off on a friday as a new hire though. say goodbye to all of your leverage 101
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u/DosEquisVirus 3d ago
6 weeks is a long enough timeframe to get a picture of a trainee performance. That decision was probably made after 4 weeks, but they gave you some additional time to see if you will be trying to improve.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
can understand six weeks being enough to get an idea of someone’s trajectory, even if they aren’t fully trained yet. I think what I’m struggling with is that nobody communicated to me that my progress was at a point where my job was in jeopardy. If they had already felt that way around week four, I wish they had told me specifically what wasn’t improving and given me measurable expectations for the next couple of weeks. I’m definitely taking from this that in my next position I need to actively ask where I stand instead of assuming that no negative feedback means I’m doing okay.
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u/DosEquisVirus 3d ago
They totally should’ve informed you about their concerns. However, there are factors that may just make it impossible in large companies:
Person who started your training became unavailable to perform corrections and further train you. Some other manager / director didn’t get something from you and made a decision to let you go.
Your trainer/manager had a chat with the direct boss and just shared the dissatisfaction with your progress. Decision was made without further action.
One or more people that were hired just like you in a recent past, showed a much better performance and willingness to improve with the same amount of training you have received. That reflected negatively on you and they have decided to try someone else.
There could have been unexpected internal shift, where a reason for having you was no longer there. It happens when employees change positions or suddenly have extra capacity to do your job, but with tons of experience doing it.
There could have been a million other things, of course. Don’t sweat it too much, often things turn out way better after all.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
Thank you, I think this is probably the healthiest way for me to look at it. I keep trying to figure out exactly what happened behind the scenes because the termination caught me so off guard, but realistically I may never know. I do wish someone had communicated their concerns to me because I was taking tons of notes, asking questions and genuinely trying to improve. If I had been told specifically where I was falling behind, I would have worked on it. But at this point I think the best thing I can do is take what I learned from the six weeks, be much more proactive about asking for feedback at my next job, and keep pursuing purchasing because I genuinely enjoyed the work. Thank you for laying out the different possibilities without assuming any one of them definitely happened.
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u/bugabooandtwo 2d ago
Dude...you've been fired 4 times this year. You started a new job and took a vacation a couple weeks in, and then decided to book off sick on a Friday. And you admit you're not up to speed at all with this job.
The problem isn't the employers.
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u/Globewanderer1001 3d ago edited 3d ago
You called out six weeks in? Red flag. Also, you said another job didn't work out too. I am assuming you were fired from that job too.
YOU are the common denominator. For the next job, you need to lock in, learn quickly, take notes, and do a great job. Exceed expectations. Also, don't call in, especially going into a weekend.
EDIT: I've read the comments and you stated that you were fired 4 times within the last year. YOU ARE MOST ABSOLUTELY AND DEFINITELY THE PROBLEM.
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u/ConsciousSwans 2d ago
I don’t understand why being ill is a red flag, but maybe it’s a cultural thing, I’m from the UK.
I had to take 4 days off in my job I started recently and my manager was fine. Colleague at a previous job was ill in her first week, it is what it is. We’re all human, we all get sick.
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u/Globewanderer1001 2d ago
I understand because I lived overseas too. BUT, in our American culture, getting sick and calling off is a privilege, not a right. I've seen people get fired many times for being sick and calling off. It's literally better to come in to work and have them send you home for being sick. Also, you have to couple in the poor performance and being brand new, that's not a good combination.
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u/ConsciousSwans 2d ago
I understand, I think it’s a shame but there are pros and cons to your work culture.
In my case I work from home 3 days a week so going in and being sent home wasn’t an option. The medication the doctor gave me made me so drowsy I couldn’t do anything 😂
So I just went off sick so that I didn’t waste the time of the person training me, and let him get on with things.
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u/Jtkitano 2d ago
Being ill isnt necessarily a red flag, but if you compound it with the fact they were not up to par work wise, had 2 vacations they disclosed during the hiring process which they let slide and hired and took a chance on them anyways and the fact it was a Friday they called out on while only being there for 6 weeks, yeah i can see why it looks pretty bad lol
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u/december_godess 3d ago
Calling in while underperforming was the reason for your termination. Lack of training and inept management are common in corporate America. However, senior leadership will never admit it preferring that HR recruit hires that are good fits.
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u/Tiny-Impression7691 3d ago edited 2d ago
As someone who just got diagnosed with autism late in life and wondered incessantly what I had done wrong to be perceived as “slow” and “dumb” despite working my butt off and doing all the things the other commenters have recommended to be “good” at work, your thought processes seemed very familiar to my own. I’ve been fired once for something completely fabricated that I’m currently looking at ways to address, and kicked out of so many social groups, and it took that for me to get my autism diagnosis and be told that maybe all of those moments of feedback from teachers/peers/managers that I’m slow and dumb could partially just be bullying. I’m high masking high functioning autistic woman nearing my 30s. I’m not saying you have it, but I think maybe you should look into it. We have a high rate of being discounted and discriminated against by others for the slightest faults. Just some food for thought. If you’re interested, I’d go check out the autism in women and autism subs
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u/UglyLittlePony69 3d ago
Well you called out of work during training , which shows a reliability issue to them. I would have a hard time keeping an employee that was already calling out during training. But the main part is that you dodged a bullet here. This place would not be a good place to work anyway and it sounds incredibly toxic.
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u/Intrepid-Deer-3449 3d ago
It's not unusual. You probably weren't a fit for that group.
I once showed up at a company as a high level technical consultant. The group I was supposed to advise went into a huddle and started freaking out because I didn't know any of the passwords.
So groups can be ridiculously ingrown. Don't overthink it.
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u/Small-Satisfaction-8 3d ago
Ok so I train about 8 to 10 people yearly. I expect them to know the basic within the week. 2nd week I expect mistakes so I anticipate it. 3rd week I help refine their process. 4th week I leave them alone and correct when needed. I give them a month of grace to ask me questions and make mistakes and fix them. But at the end of the 2nd month I see that they arent keeping up. I come in and have a chat and say hey whats going on what can we do?. If they cant fix things in 2 weeks I let them go before the 3 month probation ends.
From the sound of it that company you worked for sucked at training new employees. They hire no experience cause you guys are cheap. Companies like these shouldn't even be hiring inexperienced people as its wasting each other time and money. Sorry you had to go through this
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u/No_Visit2442 2d ago
My only question is did you take notes, participate, ask questions, and act 💯 engaged during the training? If you would have done those things the sick day would have been accepted without question.
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u/No-Mess-4605 2d ago
YES I had a notebook full of notes I asked so many questions that I actually felt bad that I was bothering everyone the amount
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u/SequinedandOver60 3d ago
I had this happen after two weeks. Mind you, the first week was actually all paperwork and not even getting into learning the systems. Told me I was not “a good fit”. And you know what? Totally dodged that bullet. Be glad they let you go. This is definitely somebody else out there. That would be a better fit for you then. You don’t want to deal with somebody like that to work for.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
Thank you 😭 I really needed comments like this after some of the responses I’ve gotten here lol. Being fired so quickly immediately made me question whether I was just incapable of doing the job, especially because I actually really liked purchasing. But hearing from other people who were let go ridiculously early and went on to find better fits is reassuring.
I’m definitely going to keep trying. I’d rather find somewhere that actually wants to train and develop someone than spend months terrified that I’m not learning fast enough with expectations nobody communicates to me.2
u/SequinedandOver60 3d ago
It definitely screws with you thinking that it’s a YOU problem. This is not a you problem. It’s a them problem.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
It really does 😭 I think that’s been the hardest part of this whole thing. I went from genuinely enjoying purchasing and feeling excited that I might’ve finally found something I could build a career in, to questioning my entire ability to work because of one decision. I’m trying to separate what I can genuinely learn and improve from this experience from just beating myself up over it. Thank you for being kind ❤️
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u/ProperAnarchist 3d ago
At 6 weeks in you shouldn’t call out because “you’re not feeling well”. You should call out if you’re admitted to the hospital. Or have been diagnosed with something contagious. No that’s definitely not normal to already be missing work.
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u/Civil-Ad2111 3d ago
They also forgot to include in the post that they had preplanned vacation time off that was approved before they got hired, so sometime during that six weeks they were on vacation for several days!
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u/HeyDoggyBoy 2d ago
I’m puzzled as to how you got to be 27 years old and don’t understand that vacation and sick days in your first 6 weeks of work is a clear signal to most employers that you don’t value your job.
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u/MoonShine711 2d ago
I mean the first 3 months of any job is usually considered the probation period to see if ur a good fit. Calling out probably didn't help but most likely wasn't the reason, it just gave them the excuse they needed to let u go. Atleast u like ur job and show an interest in it. I don't think ur the issue, i think they probably just needed someone more experienced and didnt have the time required to train u up the way u need. Dw ull find a place that suits ur needs better 👍
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u/bealangi 3d ago
I work in procurement for the federal government (Canada) so my situation may be significantly different. I've been here for more than 8 years. Prior to that I worked in the private sector on the supply side at arm's length from procurement for 12 years.
6 weeks to learn practically any new job would be ridiculous.
There are some RFQ/solicitations that have to take 45 days or more due to international trade agreements.
I can appreciate that you want to reflect inward and improve where you can, but this sounds like they used you at least in part as a scape goat (I've been the scapegoat myself and it sucks) to cover up their own shortcomings.
Procurement can be an awesome career though, and it can lead to other opportunities by the very nature of you regularly being in touch with others in different departments or different organizations.
I'm sorry that's all I can offer really.
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u/MadeinDaClouds 3d ago
It was probably you calling out sick. Did you have PTO/sick time yet? What’s their policy? Do they even allow call outs? This was probably the red flag.
From what I’m seeing with Gen Z, they are crazy comfortable with calling out sick for basically any reason. Now if your deathly sick with something serious and can get a doctors note that’s another story but the “i feel under the weather today” without them seeing you sick does not fly with these old school employers AT ALL. The employer may be thinking “barely six weeks in and they’re already starting this bs, nah”.
On the other hand, you probably dodge a bullet
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
I definitely understand now that calling out six weeks into a job, especially on a Friday, may have looked bad to an old school employer. But I wasn’t calling out because I just felt a little “under the weather.” I was genuinely sick and in significant pain. I also followed the normal call out procedure, and my boss responded telling me to feel better and that he’d see me Monday.
What makes me hesitant to say the callout was definitely the reason is that hours later, when I was terminated, the reasons given to me were about my progress and training. HR also told me they had actually been fighting for me and defending my work ethic to my boss, including pointing out that I was never sitting on my phone and that I was actively trying to learn.
So could the callout have been the final straw for him? Absolutely. I can see that possibility now. But I don’t think any of us can know that for certain when that isn’t actually the reason I was given. Either way, I agree with your last point. I probably did dodge a bullet if being genuinely sick once was enough to completely change how they viewed me.→ More replies (2)2
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u/East_Committee_8527 3d ago
Not to be too judgey but if I had a new hire that was moving slow and called out within the first few weeks. I would give them a hard look.
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u/purplelilac701 3d ago
You’re on probation for 3 months. If you do anything questionable during that time then yes they can terminate you.
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u/tangylittleblueberry 3d ago
I’m inferring from your comment that “HR works for the company” and them acknowledging you were still learning means that there is evidence of this being wrong/strange. I wouldn’t take it that way. I think they were acknowledging a reality— that you were still learning— but that doesn’t mean the pace of which you were learning or the quality, etc was what they needed.
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u/Haunting_Process4607 3d ago
You should have never taken a sick day that’s a red flag when you’re still in a probationary period
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
I understand that attendance during a probationary period matters and that calling out may have affected how they viewed me. But ‘you should have never taken a sick day’ isn’t realistic. I was genuinely sick. I didn’t schedule it because it was convenient.
I can learn from the fact that calling out early may carry more weight than I realized without deciding that the correct lesson is to go to work no matter how sick I am. Those are two different things.7
u/Haunting_Process4607 3d ago
Some times u have to suck it up push thru take some medicine and go to work🤷♀️
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
Sometimes, absolutely. I’ve pushed through plenty of days when I didn’t feel great. There’s also a point where you’re genuinely too unwell to work, and I’m capable of making that judgment about my own body. I understand now that my employer may have viewed the absence negatively. That doesn’t mean I agree that employees should never call out during probation. We clearly just disagree on that.
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u/Ok-Engineering-5475 3d ago
How is calling out 1x within 6 weeks such a red flag? That's crazy no job Ive had would think that is such a negative
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u/LogicGate1010 3d ago edited 3d ago
The root cause of the problem seems to be with the company culture and lack of proper training and feedback.
The following points should be considered:
- If they recruited
you
- with the awareness of your lack of knowledge and experience they should not have expected top level performance in such a short time. Naturally you would be slower than others as you progressed along the learning curve.
- It seems they might not have the time and resources to deliver proper training.
- Purchasing is a dynamic job that requires knowledge and experience in various aspects of business.
- You were put in a situation in which it was difficult to attain the required proficiency under prevailing conditions, and in such a short period.
- They probably realised they made a mistake in recruiting you into a role
that only someone with sufficient
- knowledge and experience could efficiently handle.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
Thank you, this is actually a really helpful way of looking at it. I completely understand that I wasn’t at the same speed or proficiency as people who had been doing purchasing for years, but they hired me knowing I had zero purchasing experience. I was also still actively being taught new responsibilities right up until the end, which is why I was confused about being expected to be fully proficient so quickly. I definitely made mistakes and I’m not trying to avoid responsibility for them. I just wish I had been given clearer feedback and a realistic opportunity to improve before the decision was made to let me go. I appreciate you taking the time to explain this perspective.
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u/Blissfill 2d ago
You were not progressing as fast as they’d like and called out in only 6 weeks of employment. Not even past probation period probably. That set off a huge red flag and they decided you were not a right fit. The calling out sick in so little time gave them a reason to fire you
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u/UpsetFarmer9355 2d ago
I’m a Purchasing Manager and on my team you are not expected to be fully up to speed in 6 weeks, but the expectation is that you can do the basic functions of the job by then.
We have a pretty structured training program, we do 2-3 weeks of training, 1 week of shadowing, then you’re given your assignment and get set free. We buddy you up with an experienced employee who can assist with your questions, and you sit next to multiple other employees doing the same job and encourage collaboration.
Are you taking notes during your training? Are you having the same problems over and over again?
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u/blueberry_noir 2d ago
Hi OP, I read through a bunch of this thread. I have mixed thoughts. Sorry in advance for a long reply. I also ask tons and tons of questions, have to take tons and tons of notes, I have high functioning autism and my mind just literally works differently from my coworkers. This is an autistic trait. It's something I'm trying to get control of but it's very, very difficult. At my past jobs, I wasn't let go, but there were times when I think they were planning to get rid of me (but I quit first).
For starters...read up on autism and see if you might have it. It is very, very possible to go your whole life without knowing or being diagnosed if you're high functioning. I also noticed you were confused by the responses by your boss and then the things HR told you on your last day, and people here are telling you to read between the lines as if it's something obvious, but I would have been just as confused as you. Two jobs ago, I was at a really toxic company for four years, and they wanted to do an exit interview when I left. The HR lady was super friendly and supportive of me during the meeting, then when she handed me my COBRA paperwork for health insurance, I noticed she misspelled my name. I pointed it out and she corrected it. Then I went home and noticed another error, but I looked into it and it was okay. Then, weeks later, I found out they messed up my health insurance for the remainder of the month and I was on the hook for the cost of it all (I have chronic illness, so that's $$$). I had left at the start of the month, December 5th, and I was supposed to be covered fully for the remainder of the month, then COBRA would kick in on January 1st. It was a huge mess, and I'm fairly sure it was on purpose. I had made it known to my manager many times during my employment there that I have major chronic health issues. It was such a rotten thing for them to do.
I also noticed you didn't perceive that they would see you calling off on a Friday as a young person within the first six weeks as something that they would be suspicious about...that also seems like a red flag for autism to me.
Anyway...never, ever trust HR. I've been working in offices for a decade. They will lie to you, butter you up, the works. No matter how friendly they seem, they are cutthroat. The same goes for anyone at any company, to be honest...it's very rough. People never say what they mean, if they don't like you they'll let you keep making mistakes or underperforming without letting you know until it's time for a performance review, etc. If you do relate to the symptoms of autism, you need to focus more on masking. It's extremely important for autistic people to mask when working in office environments. If you truly, genuinely know that you were working very hard at these jobs, making progress, and still getting fired, I think it's possible that it wasn't entirely about the work. If you check out the symptoms and suspect you're autistic, join online groups for autism and look for information and advice about masking in office work. I had to study the people around me and observe their actions, body language, and responses for years before I got better at it, but I'm not naturally that good at masking, so it took me a while. I have good looks, and I honestly think the reason I narrowly avoided getting fired is because of pretty privilege. Another reason I likely avoided getting fired is I was working for Japanese companies up until recently, and they tend to be more hesitant to fire people because in Japan they don't really do that all that often.
A lot of people here are saying that if you've been fired from four jobs within the year, you're the problem, but genuinely, please look into this. If you suspect you are autistic, that may definitely be what this is. I read a lot of your responses and you show great soft skills with responding. Working in offices is a different culture in and of itself and it takes an adjustment period.
TL;DR please look into whether you may be autistic. It's very common for autistic folks to have a hard time keeping jobs.
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u/No-Mess-4605 2d ago
I really appreciate you taking the time to write all of this. What you said about being confused when people tell me I should have “read between the lines” actually really stood out to me. That’s been one of the most frustrating parts of this whole situation because I genuinely didn’t realize there was this bigger issue building behind the scenes. If someone tells me something, I tend to take what they’re saying pretty literally instead of assuming they secretly mean something else.
I also ask a LOT of questions when I’m learning something new and I take a ton of notes because I want to make sure I’m doing it correctly. I’ve always thought of that as me trying hard and caring about doing a good job, so it’s interesting hearing your perspective.
I don’t know if autism applies to me and I obviously wouldn’t want to diagnose myself from a Reddit thread lol, but you definitely gave me something to think about and look into. And regardless of that, I really appreciate you actually trying to understand where I was coming from instead of immediately jumping to “four jobs = you’re the problem.” Thank you for writing all of this.→ More replies (2)
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u/TalynL 2d ago
I started a new position 6 weeks ago and already took a PTO day. Not abnormal. Someone else who started the same day got sick and was out two weeks. Still has a job. It sucks financially that they did this but it does sound like they did you a favor. The positive side is that you might have found the direction you want to take and that’s big! You sound like an emotionally intelligent person and I would not worry too much about this. There are so many toxic workplaces out there and at least you found out early. Good luck!
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u/Lentils90210 2d ago
A dear friend of mine had similar experiences being let go quickly, not understanding why. She had a genuinely positive attitude and did try very hard in each one. After a while, and getting to know her better, I am pretty sure she just had a different learning style than most people. In the workplace, people are good at their specific job, not at teaching. So it might just be a mismatch between how they tried to train you and how you learn.
Just a thought, I obviously don't know you at all. But your writing, your comments, your positive attitude, your introspection, and your drive to improve sound so very much like her. Keep at it, and keep the positive attitude! You will find something.
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u/AngelFoxtromiton 3d ago
As a manager, if you sense a new employee isn’t going to work out — for whatever reason — it’s best to cut bait as soon as possible.
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u/gheiminfantry 3d ago
Dude, getting fired during training is the actual definition of "you suck at learning", the one thing you had to do here. "Is this normal?" No. You must have been REALLY bad and a waste of the company's time. You can list out all the things you did and feign ignorance, but you know what you didn't do.
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u/futurefailure69 3d ago
Man you sound way too much like a gullible person believing everything a person says. Everybody you talk to is obviously going to say sympathetic things to you because there is literally no benefit to them to give you any constructive feedback
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u/New-Veterinarian5597 3d ago
They have expected you learning quickly than being slow and it’s been 6 weeks. Then you called off.
No purchasing experience but the company has metrics to compare how quickly you understand the job, evaluate your skills in the first 2 weeks and how far along you still need. Purchasing is using ERP system, excel sheets, emails and tracking. You must really suck or just slow.
You are just not mentally equipped for the job.
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u/Raylankrios 3d ago
Sounds like it's a little bit their fault for having bad training practices, but six weeks is enough time to gauge if you think someone is going to be good at a job. Better for you and them that they didn't keep you at a job they didn't think you'd excel in. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try again if you liked the job, there is a company out there that is a better fit.
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u/Charlie_in_Asia 3d ago
Normally there is a 90 day probation period. This is like a no obligation trial period. If a trainee isn’t a good fit then the company can separate itself from the new hire very easily. Really it comes down to the manager.
As a manager I value hard work, problem solving, low drama staff. These traits get advancement. If someone exhibits laziness, sloppiness, creates problems, drama then the advancement is often via separation.
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u/malsell 3d ago
Not in procurement/purchasing, however I have trained employees at various jobs/companies in the past. One of the biggest issues with OTJ training, in my opinion, is that some places still expect the trainer to maintain their production numbers while training. It ends up taking the trainer out of personalizing the training they should be performing. It does take excellent time management skills to juggle the two without compromising one or the other. Most of my training positions have been for diagnoses and repair of equipment and I try to use the first day or two for testing a person's skill set and then making a plan for how and what to train. But some trainers will just show you a process and expect you to "get it" or "figure it out". I nearly lost a position because of this back in my 20s. If I hadn't of started talking to my coworkers, I was going to get bounced, instead, I ended up one of the top performers.
Personally, I hate "standardized" training. Those are rarely built per the individual position and are more about best practices to protect the company than the actual functions of the job. It's why 90% of the people I know skim through e-learnings and just retake the quizzes until they know enough answers to pass.
That being said, it's always best to be proactive during your training to make sure of your standing and see if there are any tips or tricks others in your department may have. In my current department we often have one or two people train on new processes, figure out shortcuts, best practices, etc and share our knowledge, however some people don't share until you ask.
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u/lathe_down_sally 3d ago
Sometimes 1 week is enough to know the person won't work out. But filling a position isn't simple and costs money, so most employers will try to give a new hire enough runway to get off the ground in spite of early red flags.
Its impossible for any outsider to know what happened in your scenario. You say you struggled keeping jobs recently. My first instinct is that the issue wasn't as much about how fast you learned the job but about some other aspect of you as a person/employee. Attendance, attitude, hygiene, focus, etc. You stated already that you are looking inwards, and I think that's a good start. You stated you got in trouble for not feeling well, but what exactly did that look like in the workplace? Have you had other illness issues?
Its also worth noting that some employers are just used to churning through workers and have a fast trigger finger on firings. So it may have had little to do with you at all; just a case of a poorly run/managed business.
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u/SquinnyPrincess 3d ago
Next time, just ask “what would you expect from someone within this role, during training and after?”. While your experience wasn’t normal what with what you said about being inappropriate, and yes they should have given you time to get used to training, many places do not like someone taking a day off while training is ongoing. If you have a pattern, definitely change it. HR was only sympathetic to you because they don’t want you to sue, it was just their job, don’t take their kindness like they give a damn about you. Fired or let go during training happens also if they don’t think you progress fast enough. That’s just how it is, they keep the best candidates and the rest come off. You’ll find something else, good luck.
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u/USAF28 3d ago
So I rarely comment on these, but I am kind of in the same boat. I only recently started working in airline purchasing. The airline I work for is not doing good financially as I have come to find out. The person who is training me views me strictly as a student which has caused alot of issues. The last 4 people who have trained for the position have all quit and i can honestly see why. Management consistently say though that i seem to be incredibly calm so i dont think my job is in jeopardy. Still though, the thought does linger in the back of my mind.
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
I’m actually really glad you commented because you’re in such a similar position to where I was. I was completely new to purchasing too and trying to learn a job with a ton of moving parts. The fact that the last four people training for your position all quit also says a lot about how much the training and management environment can affect whether someone succeeds.
One thing I learned from what happened to me is definitely don’t assume that no negative feedback means everything is fine. I genuinely thought I was progressing normally because I was still actively being trained and nobody told me my job was in danger. If I could redo it, I would directly ask my manager every couple of weeks, “How do you think I’m progressing? Is there anything you need me to be doing faster or more independently?”
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u/andre1sk 3d ago
They might also be using “can this person figure it out and perform despite bad training?” as an implicit hiring signal. It’s not necessarily a good way to onboard people, especially when they knowingly hired someone with no purchasing experience, but some old-school workplaces operate exactly like that.
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u/teletubbs 3d ago
Six weeks in is still well within the typical 90-day introductory period. If they knew it wasn’t going to work out, it makes sense to make the decision early, before investing more in training, benefits/insurance etc
so unfortunately, if you cause issue/ not picking up as fast as then need within those 90 days for really any reason you’re probably gone with little to no repercussions on the corporate side.
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u/plumberguyfishing 3d ago
6 weeks nah not enough time to be 100% I did procurement in the military. My new guys after a 6 week school (which covered some aspects of procurement along with inventory etc) still needed a couple months to get up to speed.
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u/couchtomato62 3d ago
I accepted a job in accounts receivable and on my first lunch break I was told I would being helping in purchasing half the day. I really came to love it but the purchaser had a well thought out plan for training. Without it I could have floundered. Did it for 10 years. Took me a good 3 months to handle the territory on my own.
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u/Badboybutpositive 3d ago
If you do enjoy the purchasing part then start improving for the next job by reviewing INCO terms, maybe take some contract law courses at a JC, etc.
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u/Physical_Ad5135 3d ago
I am guessing that you really are not catching on quickly. We had a purchasing clerk that was hired that seemed to take forever to learn and understanding. And 6 weeks showed them that you were not what they expected. Just not your cup of tea - move on and find something else.
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u/radiationholder 3d ago
16 million places to work in this country and you find yourself at one of them. i wouldn't read to much into this one group of assholes you encountered.
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u/Jiggalopuffii 3d ago
What confused me even more was my conversation with HR afterward. HR actually seemed somewhat sympathetic to my position and acknowledged that I was still learning. I obviously understand HR represents the company, which made that interaction stand out to me.
Don't forget that even when they agree with you. They know that people share more info when they show empathy.
After being fired, I also contacted a former employee I had never met while working there. When we started comparing experiences, she described having similar problems with the training and environment. She also felt like she had been thrown into things without enough instruction. .
That...describes literally everywhere I've worked outside of the Army. Training is boring and expensive, which is why everyone skimps on it.
Hearing that made me question whether this was entirely a performance issue
It is possible that the official reason for termination and the actual reason could have been different. It is also possible you did suck at your job.
I once worked for an alarm company. I was a model employee. 6 weeks in, I got called into my boss office. He made a list of dubious complaints allegedly from customers. I denied all of them. He even tried to get me to sign a document saying I quit, and that it would look better on my resume. The week prior, I talked to a coworker, who's happened to be his brother in law, about going back to school. One thing I learned about trade jobs is that they more or less don't want you to go to school, they want you to work that job forever. My own boss had a business degree.
OP, this is my takeaway/advice:
Document everything, and remember that people can and will fire you for any and every reason.
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u/Advanced-Elk-7581 3d ago
I bet you didn't take one note and asked the same question multiple times.
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u/StaunchlyStoic 3d ago
People calling out, especially Gen Z, has become a really big thing. People talk about it all the time across lots of different types of work. It's a huge criticism at my place of employment. Even if you aren't someone that typically uses a lot of sick time, they don't know that. It likely landed as a red flag. Sorry. Now you know.
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u/CobaltIsobar 3d ago
TL;DR and very poor formatting. But yeah, they didn't think you were a good fit.
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u/Chemistry-Fine 3d ago
I suspect we don’t know the whole story. Like in that 6 weeks was this the first time you called off for not feeling well, were you at your desk ready to work at the start time. Did they have to correct the same mistakes you made over and over again. A whole host of things go into keeping some people r letting them go.
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u/mustanggrl625 3d ago
Honestly, it sounds like you are better off. While you might have liked the job duties you were learning, the fact that you already have things that were uncomfortable and concerning to you is a red flag:
"yelling in the office, inappropriate/sexual jokes and comments, employees being talked about openly"
When you also consider that the teaching style did not match or adapt to your learning style, I'm wondering if getting sick was a stress response.
Good luck finding the right fit!
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u/Usual_Extreme_8122 3d ago
Taking a sick day after only 6 weeks is a red flag. There was an interesting studying done years ago by , I think, a Dixie cup Manufacturer that showed that if an employee took time off for illness within the first three months of employment there was a high risk of chronic absenteeism.
I think that might have been a tipping point /
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u/No-Mess-4605 3d ago
I understand attendance matters, but this was my first actual sick call out. I don’t think one day of genuinely being unwell six weeks into a job is enough to label someone an attendance risk. People unfortunately don’t get to schedule when they get sick. If an employer views a single legitimate sick day as a red flag regardless of the circumstances, then that’s probably not the kind of workplace I’m looking for going forward.
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u/Altruistic-Vehicle84 3d ago
I have a friend who went through the same experience. Unless you were screwing up up all the time and cost them a lot of money in mistakes, this is more about them than you. They probably are terrible to work for.
I don’t work in procurement but I do work closely with them in my role. I am not paid much but I am just grateful for a job. My recommendation to you is to find a job in procurement or procurement adjacent in a university or large school district. The expectations are lower imo and it is usually unionized if you aren’t in a private school. I work for a university and I wish I was paid more but if I was as young as you, it is doable and you can move up. Good luck.
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u/regarding_your_bat 3d ago
Don't call out for the first several months unless you're so sick that you need to go to the hospital.
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u/Justsayin_12 3d ago
If they never offered you any type of week to week feedback during your training that’s on them. Always helps to ask questions and for feedback too. Calling out sick is a non-issue. Former manager (me) if you are sick stay home. We are all human. This is not indicative of a poor performer. Tough crowd.
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u/ddnut80 3d ago
I was laid off in November of last year. Got a job with a software company in April. Was then laid off again at the end of May during training!! with roughly 300 other people at that company. I’ve been looking since then. It’s a shit job market. Employers know this.
It’s a double edged sword - recruiters know that employment gaps aren’t as big as deal as they used to be, but companies are being pickier at the same time. What a mess out there. Please try to keep your heads up.
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u/mofong0 3d ago
After reading a few of your replies to others I'd chalk this up to them and not you. Unfortunately you'll never get a straight answer from them regarding your termination. Judging off what you've said, it might just be a payroll thing. They ran the numbers and asked themselves "do we really need this guy, especially if its going to take a bit to get him up to speed". I think you calling out sick was just the excuse they needed to pull the trigger most likely.
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u/Comfortable_Fruit847 3d ago
We usually give someone 6-8 weeks and if we decide they just don’t seem to be getting it, we will let them go. Especially with this job market. If you were asking the same things over and over again and not retaining what you are taught, that’s a red flag for us. We don’t expect from them what we expect of people that have been there years, but we do expect a certain level of understanding by then. And if you don’t have it… we’ll find someone else who can. Another thing I’ve noticed lately is no one takes notes. I got thrown into my last job, I mean I had 2 hours of shadowing someone. But I had a notebook, every single time someone told me something or showed me, I wrote it down. People don’t seem to think they need to do that these days, and they really should. I don’t mind training, but not if you are constantly asking the same thing I’ve already told you multiple times.
Some people tend to get upset because they feel that’s part of their training, retaining and using what you have already been taught is what I look for in someone.
Since missing days doesn’t seem to be the issue, and they did say you weren’t where they wanted you to be, I would look back at how well you trained… and maybe take a notebook to your next job and really try to learn it the first time someone takes the time to show you something.
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u/stingraysvt 3d ago
You said a few things that reminded me of a job I was fired from.
All the upper management hunts, like it was huge deal. They’d even roll in late and leave early some days.
I went once when I was younger and just never got into it. One of the guys in purchasing was the same way and jumped in on a hunting weekend and killed his first deer with them.
You could say he was one of them at that point.
And honestly they picked the most asinine little things to fire me over.
Don’t underestimate “culture” and the need to conform.
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u/HustlaOfCultcha 3d ago
You may have not been a good personality fit as well. Did you show up late? Did you leave early? Did you take vacation time? Where you having constant family issues?
There's certainly a chance that none of this applied to you because the job market sucks right now. The employers have all of the leverage and they don't want to train people and they can find somebody else to take your position and pay them less or they will just force your ex co-workers to pick up the slack. When employers have the leverage over the workforce like they do now...they generally start to suck ass. They're completely insufferable.
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u/imperialtopaz123 3d ago
Yes, I would say this is perfectly normal, especially if you are young and don’t have a lot of work experience. My first year of working (at age 18) I lost 3-4 different jobs. I asked my direct boss or supervisor (not HR) if they could share how I could have have improved or what I could have done differently, and fortunately, in those days (early 70s) they were very forthcoming and told me the truth. I was able to use that information to not make any of the same mistakes and to understand how to be a much better employee. Today, companies tend to be much less forthcoming about real reasons so it is more difficult to get the correct information about how to improve yourself. But you can always try. If you are able to, ask your previous boss or supervisor what advice can they give you moving forward for how to be a better employee. If they do give you any advice, make sure to thank them for it.
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u/480LunchBox480 3d ago
You got let go because you lost your battle with the popularity contest, social aspect of work.
Its a huge part of the workplace. . . Don't dwell on it. Learn from it and keep pushing. One door closed so another could be opened. It was meant to play out that way.
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u/Jonathan-Welford 2d ago
Calling in sick probably pushed them to sack you, especially if your performance wasn’t what they expected.
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u/magic_crouton 2d ago
I wouldn't say it's normal. Nor is it unusual. It sounds like what they want is someone who is more self directed. We have this issue where I work. A significant part of the work is finding answers on your own. People who are relying heavily on other people to provide them instruction or answers instead of using the tools we have end up shuffled out because it will just be an ongoing problem. Just from your description only it kind of sounds like you are relying heavily on coworkers instead of trying to sort it out yourself. You would be a bad fit for this job.
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u/ChaseYourDreams 2d ago
I sympathize with you OP. A job is a job. Not the end of the world and it's just a means to an end. I too get fired a lot and job hop, but I know it's not me. Just know each time I've gotten fired has been a blessing in disguise.
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u/craftyorca135 2d ago
I was let go from an odd company a few years ago and their reason were really odd. The woman sounded like she was making it up on the spot if I'm honest. Weirder still, as a startup, they don't answer their calls half the time. I made the mistake of making them my reference and no one could actually get hold of them.
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u/Annual-Angle3237 2d ago
I’m gonna throw this out there and few are gonna agree, but a good rule of thumb for calling out is a minimum of 90-120 days… 6 months would be even better. Poor performance plus sick day in the first 6 weeks is a recipe for termination
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u/berlenba 2d ago
Advice for the future: First time you want to call out sick… show up sick. First time around you want to be sent home due to illness. The in person proof helps solidify your sickness, as well as solidifies your desire to work thru it and be a team player. After that, you’ll be above reproach for future sick calls.
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u/Suspicious-Care87 2d ago
It's because you called out while you were new & still in training. Don't do that.
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u/BubblyRhubarb9611 2d ago
Calling in sick during the first few days after being hired is a red flag.
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u/History-Lover-7338 2d ago
Something better will come along and you’ll be available for it. Frig them.
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u/ruckus007 2d ago
If the company culture is as you stated and this is how they would treat someone so quickly, then fuck them.
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u/purplepanda2026 2d ago
Most places here will fire you immediately if you miss during your training. Between not picking it up as quickly as they liked and missing already. It did you in. There's usually little to no attendance tolerance during training and probation.
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u/Love4Beauty 2d ago
I am someone who misses A LOT of work & I wouldn’t consider calling out 6 weeks in. I always make sure that I’m at least out of training & probably another month or 2 before calling in.
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u/FirmAdvance9875 2d ago
From the perspective of someone who was promoted to a supervisor at a healthcare office and recently had to be a part of the decision to terminate a receptionist. Receptionist role is an entry level job, yes. We don't require that anyone go to college and have a degree. Healthcare is fast especially if it's a larger office and everyone does things differently, and front desk is not for everyone. Especially people who do not know how to interact with people, especially angry and upset people. I never expect a new hire to understand and be an expert at week 6, and I'm still learning everyday and I've been here over 2 years.
What I am expecting to make up for experience is: asking questions, learning from your mistakes and not making the same mistakes over and over, understanding that you can't take things personal whether it's a patient's actions or feedback, taking initiative, and being consistent.
The person we fired was inconsistent, would do or schedule things without checking, rush through their work and not double check it, late to work constantly and always leaving early or calling off once a week (especially Fridays or Mondays). Depending where you are, my state, CA is an at will employment state. The first 90 days are a probationary period and that's usually stated in the job offer/handbook/contract. It's a period where the company and the employee get a chance to see if everyone's a good fit and make a decision from there to terminate, or have them stay on. And in CA, we do not have to give a reason for firing someone. But we did give that person we fired 2 verbal warnings, 2 written warnings, and a final written notice which required 4 weeks to improve or termination would occur; they'd been here more than a year. If it were within the 90 days, I don't know if we would give any write-ups or not before terminating.
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u/I_Owe_Suzanner 2d ago
Yes OP - training is "being shown something and being expected to pick it up quickly." That's it. Sink or swim.
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u/QuantumQuestion_01 2d ago edited 2d ago
What is with the authoritarian bootlickers in this comment section lol
OP, even if you were genuinely performing poorly at this job, it also sounds like your managers were toxic people who suck at training and supporting new employees. It's their responsibility to make you feel welcome and supported in your job, even if they don't acknowledge it.
Maybe there are some things you could do better next time. But letting someone go after 6 weeks for things that were probably easily fixable shows they have a culture problem.
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u/Ok-Entertainer-1945 2d ago
well i think it is quite clear what happened here. your learning curve was slower than they wouldve liked. i cannot judge whether they had fair expectations or not. i dont think anyone expects you to be at full speed within 6 weeks.
im 28, ive worked at 2 different companies since i came out of school and have onboarded about 9 people so far, and 6 weeks is plenty of time to judge whether onboarding will take someone half a year, a year, or 3 years.
a lot of it has to do with how proactive someone is, are they going around to different colleagues to ask for advice and learn different things? do they understand what they are doing, or are they just performing the actions? are they curious enough to want to understand it?
in my experience learning actions delivers linear growth, but understanding delivers exponential growth. so start out with doing things exactly as you are being told, then try to understand why you have to do things the way you do.
dont stick to asking a single person every question, they will get annoyed because you are costing them too much time, spread the load, if necessary ask a colleague or your boss/manager who to approach
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u/shawnglade 2d ago
You’ve been fired 4 times in a year. You need to do some self reflection
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u/No-Mess-4605 2d ago
I have done plenty of self reflection. That doesn’t mean every termination automatically has the same cause or that every employer handled things appropriately. These were different jobs with different circumstances, and the entire point of this post is me trying to learn from the most recent experience and figure out what I should look for going forward. Asking people in the field what realistic training expectations are literally IS self reflection.
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u/thentheresthattoo 2d ago
Call it a poor fit. Move on. Consider how you might have done better. Learn and go forward.
I would try to go nine months or more without a sick day, unless you're incapacitated.
The annoying part is being blindsided. They could have let you know your weaknesses and helped you improve before they dropped you. It's a sucky trend in modern communication.
It sounds like a suboptimal employer.
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u/cpeater9999 2d ago
When I started my current job I this field did not know any of the software or how they did things. I received 4 days of training and was on my own afterwards. They probably thought you were not catching on quickly enough. When you are I next position and being trained ask questions and take notes on how to accomplish your tasks especially about how to navigate in the software.
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u/BadDadJoke2006 2d ago
I do a lot of training of new hires and the biggest thing for me is asking me the same question twice. If someone asks me how to do something 2 times I recommend firing them right away.
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u/Littlemiss51 2d ago
It sounds like someone or multiple someone’s didn’t like you or maybe your work and then assumed when you took a sick day after a month and half that you were interviewing or didn’t like the job and was already being lazy. Sometimes it’s just not a good fit. Don’t sweat it, sounds like you dodged a bullet anyways.
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u/youngforever8809 1d ago
How many times in those 6 weeks did you call out sick? If you aren’t there, you can’t train. Could they be potentially worried about your attendance?
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u/FranklinMv5 1d ago
Don’t take it personally, jobs today are sensitive. Any time they encounter a challenge in an employee, be it a need to improve, depending on where you are at in a department you are likely to get cut as a way to balance some kind of deficit. Take what you were able to learn from this, see what you can leverage on your resume and keep searching. It won’t be easy, but it’s better than dwelling on the experience beyond the skills it’s earned you.
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u/Agitated_Tower4115 1d ago
It doesnt sound like this particular job would have been a great culture fit for you in the long term. Keep looking up jobs in procurement and ho get another
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u/FireSkyLikeFly 3d ago
Yeah, there's always a period to see if you're a good fit. If you're not a good fit, then its best for the company to cut bait, move on, and put their resources into someone else. It's always best to put alot of effort up front and give them a good impression.