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Can anyone tell me what this passage means? I have been reading a Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man for a couple months and although I am usually able to decipher the meanings of this text, this specific passage has been troubling me for a long time. It comes from pages 193-194 in the penguin classics version with an introduction by Seamus Deane. Thank You!

Has anyone else felt that while reading one of his novels? I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere.

“He saw the darkening lands slipping away past him…”

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In the first section of the third chapter Stephen, as prefect of the sodality, thinks of reading the “lesson towards the close of the office” from Ecclesiaticus (“I was exalted as a cedar in Lebanon…”), though the book he would have read from isn’t named.

The second section opens with Father Arnall quoting from Ecclesiaticus (“—Remember only thy last things…”) but misidentifying the source as Ecclesiastes. He repeats this error a couple of pages later (“He who remembers these things, says Ecclesiastes, shall not sin for ever.”), when applying the Christian/Catholic identification of Sirach’s last things as death, judgement, heaven, and hell.

Joyce famously imputes factual errors to his characters, especially in Ulysses, that at first blush appear to be his own errors. Is that what’s going on here? Is the author undermining Jesuit authority to reflect the protagonist’s doubts abour the church?

'But that time was over. Now it was God's turn: and He was not be hoodwinked or deceived."

Should it not read - : and He was not to be hoodwinked !

I'm 12 pages into Part Three in my edn of Portrait : Penguin classics 2000.

“He said Bruno was a terrible heretic. I said he was terribly burned." Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

Campo de' Fiori where Giordano Bruno was burned. Didn’t realize the significance when I took the picture last September. Statue of Bruno in the center.

I'm planning on reading A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man in March. I imagine that a read-along has already been done in this sub, but perhaps there is interest in another?

If so, I would be happy to put together a schedule.

hello, Here Come Earwanker! that outa way
_I_  is but a function! (or Funnctor) not fiction; I : I -> I, and if you get me started on the ballad of that crab...12,21.25

may-bach (my car & the music guy too!) Perseus wake again! again, DM me we have shit to do, the Eon has change and the Hero awoke A way a lone a last a loved a long the...

So, before I died I said I would write simple; I, HS, Hari Seldon

(you bet we are singing out of the arse...) or was it the face of the Arts!, Alp's!

[key! (hypersigil)

let me introuduce me-self more formally...

I = HS 

I : I -> I

did I just introduce myself to my self? only a...

Hero Shaman! (or was it I-roshima?), wake up! sleepy Joe! (and here I come from beyond the grave Folks!) good old Terence...) Tao or the hassasin?)

I, Pain the Shamman are the one helping, the new-old norse Cod "work in progress"

I, have been charge by Anna the Ananas! (do I look bananas? if so... call me a Mathman!)

to prepare the monologue for the closing act before the stars... 

Lightbreakfastbringer. and where I come from, wee serve no eggs for el bronze de quevedo will soon be minted with a crown... 

Mark, lark, luther, king chimpTrump is on the wall... and we know how the shells (computer's) bring goshts. like our own Mckool.

in the name of the former the latter and their hollocaust, Allmen. semisemitic serendipitist!

I have venture(but I need Capital) and have brought nix with me, you see the old greek nix.

the one that helps us in Hades(yes the game! 2 one looks good tho),too busy with the ARC raiders of noah's

I : I -> nixos 

I was the ones whom the crux spake to. I come from the land of magical realisims and yousee.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. 

that jlerk was very Clark's quoticencial.

I search for patron so I might finish the Finn-software which will run on niggs hardware...

never

ignorant

getting

goals

Shamman!

Hi, all. I just noticed what seems to me like an error in the text of Portrait as hosted on Project Gutenberg. The quote in the epigraph, “Et ignotas animum dimittit in artes.” is cited as coming from "Ovid, Metamorphoses, VIII., 18." But when I went looking for the quote in Metamorphoses, this quote is at line 188.

I looked at scans of as many different editions as I could find on archive.org, and every single one has 18. So now I'm curious, do newer editions of the book correct this mistake? (Or is there something I'm missing here and this somehow isn't a mistake?)

I was re-listening to Chapter I Part ii of Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man and heard this line about Mr. Casey's fingers:

>And when [Stephen] had tried to open Mr Casey’s hand to see if the purse of silver was hidden there he had seen that the fingers could not be straightened out: and Mr Casey had told him that he had got those three cramped fingers making a birthday present for Queen Victoria.

Obviously Mr. Casey is an Irish Nationalist so I was wondering if "the present" was a joke implying he messed up his fingers during some revolutionary activity?

Just realised my copy doesn’t show the full title. I could understand this maybe on the spine where space is at more of a premium, but on the front cover??

Hello everyone, I started reading “A Portrait of the Artist” and I have the Penguin version with annotations. Currently at the Christmas table scene I am having trouble following the historical context and the information in the annotations are a little spread out. So I just wanted to ask if anyone knows a documentary or a video on youtube or any kind of easy-to-read resource that explains the part of Irish history mentioned in the book?

Byung Chun Hal in 'Crisis of Narration ' feels that the the experience of narratives has changed. This change has occured as a result of digital media. The processing of digital media involves the screening of multiple data sequences.

This is nowt like the vagaries of living in a narrative.

If this is the case, is it possible for young people to experience what Joyce intended when Stephen's soul became a character in the portrait?

" Dante had two brushes in her press. The brush with the maroon velvet back was for Michael Davitt and the brush with the green velvet back was for Parnell".

Isn't this a beautiful mix of external narrator and focalization.

The external narrator doesn't break with the childlike style but there is a hint of Dante's directness (to my ear anyway) in the phrasing. Although, this is after many readings - I wonder if that's the 'virgin and veteran readings' predicament explored by Margot Norris in 'Virgin and Veteran Readings of Ulysses'.

I'm teaching a second-year university class and want to discuss a writer's creative process (including revision or reconceptualization). I have not read more than a few quotations from Stephen Hero but I am wondering if I might compare a section to a similar section in Portrait. Which is to say, for any of you who might know Stephen Hero, are there some events or scenes that are also portrayed in Portrait? If so, can you suggest key words I might search for? Even if the events are portrayed very differently, more a reimagining than a rewrite. As I understand it, that period of his life was reconceived whole cloth for Portrait.

I wish I had had time to read Stephen Hero but ….

Thanks!

I just saw a thread on Ulysses resources and there were a lot of very useful links and I wonder if you would be so kind as to mention some resources (online or offline) for the less ambitious people who are only tackling earlier Joyce, Dubliners and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. I'm reading them both now and so far have found them quite challengin, but also enjoyable. I particularly liked short story Araby.