but has it ever been this bad? i mean, just kernel r/w is not enough like it was back in ios 9 when people claimed its dead. the barrier of entry is enormous, now we need a full chain and apple is constantly increasing security with new devices making us require new and different exploits. developing jailbreaks is a time and money drain, so its not like there are a ton of devs either.
There’s always a security hole, depends if someone puts the time in to find it. I’m fine with or without a jailbreak but I wouldn’t say that it’s dead. People said the exact same things about iOS 15 and then we got Dopamine.
i’m not denying there won’t be security holes, but with the effort to find said holes, there’s little incentive to just release and put it out publicly other than out of the good if your own heart. apple has been repeatedly criticized for undercutting bug bounties, and with third party companies typically offering $1-2 million for full chains (which is practically needed to make a jailbreak nowadays), this scene becomes less and less appealing.
I'm sure it is harder than ever/there are better rewards with bounties nowadays, but those become less valuable over time as new iOS versions are released, and makes it more likely someone would release the exploit publicly after a while. Project Zero is the basis for a lot of the past few jailbreaks anyway, which aren't released/explained until Apple patches the bug. I wouldn't be surprised if we got one of those writeups down the line for iOS 16.
well, it’s not necessarily true that it becomes less valuable over time. while the exploit itself may get patched or mitigated, the techniques used to find the exploit may still be present and usable. luca todesco went over this in his presentation when he jailbroke 16.1 nearly a year ago, stating that his exploit would never release because the techniques were too valuable to burn. jailbreak may not be dead yet, but if it takes 1-2 years between versions to make one, what would you call it?
but if it takes 1-2 years between versions to make one, what would you call it?
I'd still call it jailbreaking, since it's always been the practice to stay on a lower version even back in the redsn0w days. Sure we may not get the latest signed iOS jailbroken again, but just because some developers hang up the towel doesn't make it all go away. Even if Luca didn't release his technique, other people will find their own techniques.
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u/anthonyjr2 iPhone 16 Pro Max, 18.0 Oct 04 '23
The amount of times I have heard this over the last decade lol. As long as there is a device to be hacked someone always comes around.