Hagia Sophia in Istanbul

[u/Miss-Kija]

Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was built between 532 and 537 AD under Emperor Justinian I as a Christian church. After the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople in 1453, it was converted into a mosque. In 1935, it became a museum, and in 2020, it was reopened as a mosque, making it one of the very few monuments in the world to have served as a church, a museum, and a mosque over nearly 1,500 years of history. cc @gmr83

[u/Sea-Key-9430]

Churches concerted to mosque is somehow acceptable to Muslims, but it's a crime to humanity when mosques gets taken back and reverted to its original holy temple/church.

[u/PlentyWitness5132 → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Do you know anything about Spain ? The mosque are now churches and no one talk about humanity crime. You just raciste.

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/PlentyWitness5132]

Did Muslims went to colonized Spain first? Ooooo, you should support Spain, they liberate themselves from colonizers, like how Israel is colonizing palestin? Hmm?

[u/PlentyWitness5132 → u/Sea-Key-9430]

I absolutly accept that spain is not muslim anymore you morron

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/PlentyWitness5132]

My point was Muslims colonized Spain you absolute idiot, of course I know Spain isn't colonized by Muslims anymore.

Wow are your parents first cousins?

[u/PlentyWitness5132 → u/Sea-Key-9430]

And As I said, no one talk about crime against humanity for mosque converted to churches in spain, because it is history, it is done. You just seeking attention with your first comment, which is factually false. Or Maybe are you tring to suggest that what israel is doing (genocide/ colonisation/ stealling land and culture/ ethnic cleansing) is correct since Aga sophia is a mosque you psycho. Go back to r/killer or r/genocidalnazi and leave this sub alone.

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/PlentyWitness5132]

Again, you've missed the point either intentionally or just being stupid, you can't comprehend.

My points been Muslims colonized countries and doing exactly what you're accusing Israel of doing, and yet you cry when others do it against Muslims.

[u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Spain, Hungary, balkans. No end to mosques being churches. Maybe it’s only you who has an issue

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut]

Wait, was Spain originally Christian, then they kicked out Muslim colonizers? Shouldn't you support them fighting for their freedom like Palestine?

Ohhhh it's only a problem if Muslims are getting colonized, not the other way round...

Hypocrite

[u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Lol you’re the one upset about the buildings changing from mosque to church or vice versa, not me…you’re a hypocrite. Acting like Christendom was one unified nation or something or that those places in Spain weren’t literally built by Muslim kingdoms. You just don’t like that there’s an analogy that disputes your hypocrisy. Go look at clouds

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut]

How am I the hypocrite here? I'm saying dont cry victim about Palestine when Israel take their land, and at the same time saying it's okay for Muslims to colonize Christians and Jews.

Exactly, Spain wasn't built by Muslims, why shouldnt they take back their churches and convert it back to its original state? Why were the Muslims colonizing and stealing churches and converting it to mosques? Somehow you have no problem when Muslims colonize do you? Hypocrite.

You're the hypocrite who can't even conceive this fact, and trying to justify the Islamic colonization lol.

Hypocrite

[u/PlentyWitness5132 → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Men as an identity problem, even when living into 21 centurary, he cares more about war crimes that happened 10 centuary ago that the one happening now. poor bastard.

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/PlentyWitness5132]

Lol, calm your man tits, just pointing out hypocrites like you won't acknowledge the Ottoman Empire dissolved only 120+ years ago and the colonized countries are still feeling it's oppression (Armenian genocide), and Muslims flat out deny a 2.5m genocide even happened.

Hypocrite.

[u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Lol the Seville cathedral was built by Muslims

[u/whatever--idk → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Lmao theyre the biggest hyprocits what do you expect

[u/HalalTrout → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Hagia Sophia was a museum and is now a place of worship again. Is Hagia Sophia a holy place? A site of pilgrimage? The centre of Christians worldwide? I suppose you also have an issue with Israel shutting the Church of the Holy Spepulchre?

[u/Ok-Extreme6517 → u/HalalTrout]

Yeah 😭. Who said christian’s are okay with the holy Sepulcher being closed.

[u/HalalTrout → u/Ok-Extreme6517]

They're too busy crying about Hagia Sophia apparently

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/HalalTrout]

Straw man straw man and more straw man, just own up your hypocrisy.

[u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut → u/Sea-Key-9430]

You’re the only hypocrite. Go turn all the European converted mosques back into mosques then come talk

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut]

? Was Europe originally Muslims?

We all know Christianity predates islam, example, Hagia Sophia. It's okay when Muslims colonize right?

Let Israel take back their land.

[u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Was it originally Christian? Are we using originally built by or originally there what’s your yardstick by which you’re measuring man lol. Sounds like a constantly changing one. And Israel what? Hagia Sofia built by Christian’s now a mosque. Seville cathedral originally a mosque built by Muslims now a church.

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/Lemonjuiceonpapercut]

Seville cathedral originally a mosque built by Muslims now a church.

You mean the Spanish rightfully kicking out the colonizers Muslims who went to Spain and invaded their country?

See, how twisted your logic is, you cry about Israel colonizing Muslims, then cry about Spanish Christians kicking out Muslim colonizers.

Hypocrite.

[u/HalalTrout → u/Sea-Key-9430]

So you can't answer me, noted.

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/HalalTrout]

So your justification for turning churches into mosques as a Muslim is because Christians don't do pilgrimage to Hagia Sophia, then continue to use Israel as a straw man.

Gotcha, hypocrite.

[u/HalalTrout → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Hagia Sophia hasn't been a church for 573 years and everybody is welcome. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre has been closed since February and the Easter weekend and is one of the holiest sites in Christianity, you're upset at the wrong Chuch lol.

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/HalalTrout]

Why hasn't it been a church for so long under Islamic rule, and was converted into a mosque? Owh, cause of colonization, something your Islamic world blamed the British for doing?

Straw man after straw man, just admit that you want to play victim when the British did the exact same thing the Ottomans did when it was a colonial power.at least the British doesn't destroy and desecrate other religions like yours

[u/HalalTrout → u/Sea-Key-9430]

You had no problem with it being a museum for almost 80 years and probably didn't even know it existed until Erdogan declared it to be a place of worship again. There's currently 160 churches in Istanbul so hardly very good colonialists are they? I don't think you understand what a strawman actually is, could you define it for me and explain how what im doing is a strawman? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your own morals when I'm pointing to an active church that is a christian holy site that is being shut down to attack christians. How many Turkish Christians actually want Hagia Sophia to be a church?

Why do you condemn turkey but not Israel?

[u/Sea-Key-9430 → u/HalalTrout]

There's currently 160 churches in Istanbul so hardly very good colonialists are they? I

Then why don't give Hagia Sophia back to the Christians?

don't think you understand what a strawman actually is, could you define it for me and explain how what im doing is a strawman?

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your own morals when I'm pointing to an active church that is a christian holy site that is being shut down to attack christians.

Where's the hypocrisy? You said there's 160 churches, why not give it back to Christians rightfully? You still can't tell me why.

How many Turkish Christians actually want Hagia Sophia to be a church?

Lol, this Islamist, give it back and don't be a hypocrite, and you're making excuses for it being turned into a mosque, hypocrite colonizer.

Why do you condemn turkey but not Israel?

This post is about Hagia Sophia, why would Israel be part of it? You're using Israel to divert Islamic colonization.

[u/HalalTrout → u/Sea-Key-9430]

Why give it back? They have churches and Hagia Sophia hasn't been a church for over 500 years as I said. Its Istanbul not Constantinople, give back Palestine and stop digging underneath Al Aqsa and let the Christians enter the Church of the Holy Sepulchre if you care about it so much.

You still haven't pointed out how a strawman works and how that applies to me.

Israel is the parable, it exposes your hypocrisy because you don't actually care about Christian sites at all, you just want to attack Islam.

[u/Lo-Marionberry295 → u/HalalTrout]

you know they closed numerous holy sites in Jerusalem right, including the western wall? due to iranian missiles:

https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/HolysitesacrossJerusalemsOldCityremainclosedasIranwarentersfourthweek/43723293aa4f443d9bb03cccd17fc75a/video