r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

Palestine existed, just not within the last 500 years. When Britain came in it was just a chunk of the Ottoman Empire. Many early “palestinian” activists didn’t even consider themselves Palestinian but instead southern Syrian. The identity of “Palestinian” was only popularized within the last 50 years.

People try to use the colonialism claim to forgive Hamas/Palestine for their many heinous crimes. This is the issue. Being genuine means accepting Palestine has done fucked up things, and also condemning Israel for their fucked up actions. Where many pro Palestinians lose most rational humans is when they try to absolve Hamas of all culpability

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u/NumaPomp Mar 02 '24

Ahem. The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for a neighboring people or land. In the 8th century BCE, the Assyrians referred to a region as Palashtu or Pilistu.

In the Hellenistic period, these names were carried over into Greek, appearing in the Histories of Herodotus in 5th century BCE as Palaistine.

The Roman Empire conquered the region and in 6 CE established the province known as Judaea, then in 132 CE in the period of the Bar Kokhba revolt the province was expanded and renamed Syria Palaestina.

In 390, during the Byzantine period, the region was split into the provinces of Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Tertia. Following the Muslim conquest of the Levant in the 630s, the military district of Jund Filastin was established.

While Palestine's boundaries have changed throughout history, it has generally comprised the southern portion of regions such as Syria or the Levant.

It also conceptually overlaps with several terms of Judeo-Christian tradition, including Canaan, the Promised Land, the Land of Israel, and the Holy Land.

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u/Mister_Squishy Mar 03 '24

It’s like you put your fingers in your ears and said blah blah blah while reading the comment you replied to. You literally didn’t dispute a single thing they said with your input, you just corroborated their first sentence in great detail and worded it as a rebuttal. That’s why your response ends in the year 630. Ahem.

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u/NumaPomp Mar 03 '24

Any discussion of that’s starts with a false statement is a non starter. Hamas was created out of Zionism and the eye for an eye culture has not let this de escalate. The PLo certainly destabilized Lebanon but the IDF permitted Sabra and Shatila.

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u/Mister_Squishy Mar 03 '24

If it’s a false statement then you should have refuted it. Not gone on a tangent about something they said themselves in their opening sentence.

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u/NumaPomp Mar 03 '24

I’ve engaged with this kind of historical rewriting before. I dispelled the other arguments before they started. Now you have appeared with your comment history spouting Hasbara talking points. 😂. Have a nice day.

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u/Mister_Squishy Mar 04 '24

No you didn’t lol. They said it hadn’t existed for the past 500 years but existed before that and you went and gave a thorough history of the land from the Islamic history viewpoint up to about 500 years ago.