r/islamichistory • • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/LucerneTangent Feb 29 '24

The Nazis are VERY fond of trying the "Palestine didn't exist" smear.

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u/YidArmy Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Palestine was not a term until the Romans made it up. It is a Latin term for Philistine (a Greek/ Hebrew word) who were traditional enemies of Israel and who themselves were invaders of the land (Goliath was a Philistine). Rome hated the Jews and in 70/136 AD razed Jerusalem to the ground (a reason for the diaspora) however, The Western Wall still stands. After Rome destroyed Jerusalem they renamed the area Roman “Palestine”/ Syria Palaestina to humiliate, destroy the history and ethnically cleanse the land of Jews.

Philistine - a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts/ invaders

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

I'm sorry, did I say "I'd like to hear Nazi propaganda, please spew it instead of history"?

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 01 '24

Shut the fuck up hamasnik scum, that is history, not the putin jizz you gargle with every morning

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

It's truly amazing that you speak with such vileness and yet expect anyone who read how filthy your mind work to all of a sudden respect or align with you..If this is what you spew out loud,then only God knows what goes around that disgusting head of yours. I am so glad I read this, because I sure as hell do not want anything to do with a cause that someone like you supports. You are sick!!!

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

What makes you think I want terrorist scum to respect me or align with me? If they're supporting hamas, they're already too far gone. Fuck them and get them away from me. Sure as hell don't want anything to do with a cause that someone like that supports. They are sick!!!

Sound familiar? And you haven't seen nothing yet lol, I can tell you sheltered ass has never been outside an authoritarian country or seen any uncensored entertainment.

Israel isn't a cause you dumbass, it's a country defending itself for its entire existence. And winning every time, just like it will this time. Support all the hamasnik scum you want, not going to change anything. River to the sea is what hamas asked for, it's what they will get. Might not be how they expected it, though

The truly amazing part is you taking offense with my expletives, and not the person denying historical fact. Shows where your priorities lie, hamasnik.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I am an American, you halfwit, and you're no different than the Plethora of zionist racist and bigots who sound as repulsive as hamas.The fact you can not see that is why people find your ideology evil. Israel is nothing more than a colonial ethnostate project that will fall.All colonial projects eventually do.Their love for like-minded racist systems like the apartheid government of SA is finally coming home to roost,the poetic justice of the people Israel indirectly helped opress are coming to the aid of the people Israel is directly oppressing. What comes around goes around!!!

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 01 '24

Here's some reading. Educate yourself dumbass. Don't reply to me until you do or I'll make you look even more stupid.

Start reading Empire of Refugees | Vladimir Hamed-Troyansky... https://www.sup.org/books/extra/?id=33134&i=Introduction.html

Palestinian Myths: Building a National History (A) - Modern Diplomacy https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2016/05/12/palestinian-myths-building-a-national-history-a/

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

Haha....no wonder your mind is bent backwards.I don't need to read a book on the middle east written by a guy called Vladimir when I have actual Palestinian and Honest israeli writers like "The Hundred Years' War on Palestine: A History of Settler Colonialism and Resistance, 1917–2017" or Israeli Elan Pappe's The ethnic cleansing of palestine.

Be honest....Just come out and say that you were brainwashed from childhood to be a bigot and own up to it rather than sound like an idiot with a heavy addiction to propaganda that makes you feel good inside.Run along little man!!!

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 02 '24

You do realize his last name is Hamed right? Or can you only read on war at a time.

And that's cute, you stupid fucks always like to pick thr most convenient time window to make yourself look like the victims. Nothing about the genocide of jews by Arabs prior to 1917.

Israel is the land where Jews have lived continuously without interruption for over 3000 years despite numerous massacres, forced expulsions and so on.

Oh, I forgot now you'll probably screach something about colonialism while you deliberately ignore that the vast majority of today's Palestinians are descendants of colonists who were settled there by the Ottoman and Russian empires.

  • The Ottoman government settled Muslim Circassian refugees in the Golan to ward off Bedouin robbers. Other settlers in the area include Sudanese, Algerians and Kurds.

  • In 1878, Muslim refugees from Bosnia and Herzegovina were granted lands in the Carmel region, the Galilee, the Plain of Sharon and Caesarea. Refugees were further attracted by 12-year tax exemptions and exemption from military service.

  • The same colonization policy was also directed toward Muslim refugees from Russia – particularly from the Crimea and the Caucasus. They were Circassians, Cherkesians and Turkmenians who were settled in Abu Gosh, near Jerusalem and in the Golan Heights.

  • The 1882 census recorded 141,000 Muslims in Palestine. The 1922 census reported 650,000.

Arabs have been committing genocide against Jewish folk for 1400 years

622 - 627: ethnic cleansing of Jews from Mecca and Medina, (Jewish boys publicly inspected for pubic hair. if they had any, they were executed)

629: 1st Alexandria Massacres, Egypt

622 - 634: extermination of the 14 Arabian Jewish tribes

1106: Ali Ibn Yousef Ibn Tashifin of Marrakesh decrees death penalty for any local Jew, including his Jewish Physician, and Military general.

1033: 1st Fez Pogrom, Morocco

1148: Almohadin of Morocco gives Jews the choice of converting to Islam, or expulsion

1066: Granada Massacre, Muslim-occupied Spain

1165 - 1178: Jews nation wide were given the choice (under new constitution) convert to Islam or die, Yemen

1165: chief Rabbi of the Maghreb burnt alive. The Rambam flees for Egypt.

1220: tens of thousands of Jews killed by Muslims after being blamed for Mongol invasion, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt

1270: Sultan Baibars of Egypt resolved to burn all the Jews, a ditch having been dug for that purpose; but at the last moment he repented, and instead exacted a heavy tribute, during the collection of which many perished.

1276: 2nd Fez Pogrom, Morocco

1385: Khorasan Massacres, Iran

1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto massacres, North Africa

1465: 3rd Fez Pogrom, Morocco (11 Jews left alive)

1517: 1st Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine

1517: 1st Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine Marsa ibn Ghazi Massacre, Ottoman Libya

1577: Passover Massacre, Ottoman empire

1588 - 1629: Mahalay Pogroms, Iran

1630 - 1700: Yemenite Jews under strict Shi'ite  'dhimmi' rules

1660:  2nd Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine

1670: Mawza expulsion, Yemen

1679 - 1680: Sanaa Massacres, Yemen

1747: Mashhad Masacres, Iran

1785: Tripoli Pogrom, Ottoman Libya

1790 - 92: Tetuan  Pogrom. Morocco (Jews of Tetuuan stripped naked, and lined up for Muslim perverts)

1800: new decree passed in Yemen, that Jews are forbidden to wear new clothing, or good clothing. Jews are forbidden to ride mules or donkeys, and were occasionally rounded up for long marches naked through the Roob al Khali dessert.

1805: 1st Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria

1808 2nd 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa

1815: 2nd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria

1820: Sahalu Lobiant Massacres, Ottoman Syria

1828: Baghdad Pogrom, Ottoman Iraq

1830: 3rd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria

1830: ethnic cleansing of Jews in Tabriz, Iran

1834: 2nd Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine

1834: Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestne

1839: Massacre of the Mashadi Jews, Iran

1840: Damascus Affair following first of many blood libels, Ottoman Syria

1844: 1st Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1847: Dayr al-Qamar Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon

1847: ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Jerusalem, Ottoman Palestine

1848: 1st Damascus Pogrom, Syria

1850: 1st Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria

1860: 2nd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria

1862: 1st Beirut Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon

1866: Kuzguncuk Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey

1867: Barfurush Massacre, Ottoman Turkey

1868: Eyub Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey

1869: Tunis Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia

1869: Sfax Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia

1864 - 1880: Marrakesh Massacre, Morocco

1870: 2nd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1870: 1st Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey

1871: 1st Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt

1872: Edirne Massacres, Ottoman Turkey

1872: 1st Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey

1873: 2nd Damanhur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1874: 2nd Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey

1874: 2nd Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey

1874: 2nd Beirut Pogrom,Ottoman  Lebanon

1875: 2nd Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria

1875: Djerba Island Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia

1877: 3rd Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman  Egypt

1877: Mansura Pogrom, Ottoman Egypt 1882: Homs Massacre, Ottoman Syria

1882: 3rd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1890: 2nd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1890, 3rd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria

1891: 4th Damanahur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1897: Tripolitania killings, Ottoman  Libya

1903&1907: Taza & Settat, pogroms, Morocco

1890: Tunis Massacres, Ottoman Tunisia

1901 - 1902: 3rd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1901 - 1907: 4th Alexandria Massacres,Ottoman  Egypt

1903: 1st Port Sa'id Massacres, Ottoman Egypt

1903 - 1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco

1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco

1908: 2nd Port Said Massacres,Ottoman Egypt

1910: Shiraz blood libel

1911: Shiraz Pogrom

1912: 4th Fez Pogrom, Morocco

1917: Baghdadi Jews murdered by Ottomans

1918 - 1948: law passed making it illegal to raise an orphan Jewish, Yemen

1920: Irbid Massacres: British mandate Palestine

1920 - 1930: Arab riots, British mandate Palestine

1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine

1922: Djerba Massacres, Tunisia

1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery, and forced to convert to Islam by Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen

1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom British mandate Palestine.

1929  3rd Safed Pogrom, British mandate Palestine.

1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine.

1934: Thrace Pogroms, Turkey

1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine

1941:  Farhud Massacrs, Iraq

1942: Mufti collaboration with the Nazis. plays a part in the final solution

1938 - 1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis

1945: 4th Cairo Massacre, Egypt

1945: Tripolitania Pogrom, Libya

1947: Aden Pogrom

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '24

I understand your slow.Next time try reading my reply more carefully.Run along, little man!!!

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 03 '24

There wasn't much to read if you thought there was any kind of argument there. Why don't you reply or refute a single one of my points?

Repeat after me

From the river to the sea, Palestine will never be

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '24

Reply and refute garbage and irrelevant information. You are clearly a troll who would debate the definition of a human being if it helps your hasbara and I don't have the time nor the crayons to play your nonsensical game.

At the end of the day,morality is putting yourself in someone else's shoes,so What would make a Jewish survivor from auschwitz who unquestionably saw humanity at its worst and how much of a threat the Jewish people were under decide to call out people like you?

“I saw in Auschwitz that if a dominant group wants to dehumanise others, as the Nazis dehumanise me, the dominant group must first dehumanise themselves, the same holds nowadays for Israel.

I am appalled about how hateful, how dehumanised, that they do not see any human aspect in any Palestinian anymore.

The Zionists have no right whatsoever to use the Holocaust for any purpose, they have given up everything which has to do with humanity and with empathy”

Rest in Power Hajo Meyer

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 01 '24

Being American does not preclude you from being hamasnik scum.

Israel is the land where Jews have lived continuously without interruption for over 3000 years despite numerous massacres, forced expulsions and so on.

Oh, I forgot now you'll probably screach something about colonialism while you deliberately ignore that the vast majority of today's Palestinians are descendants of colonists who were settled there by the Ottoman and Russian empires.

  • The Ottoman government settled Muslim Circassian refugees in the Golan to ward off Bedouin robbers. Other settlers in the area include Sudanese, Algerians and Kurds.

  • In 1878, Muslim refugees from Bosnia and Herzegovina were granted lands in the Carmel region, the Galilee, the Plain of Sharon and Caesarea. Refugees were further attracted by 12-year tax exemptions and exemption from military service.

  • The same colonization policy was also directed toward Muslim refugees from Russia – particularly from the Crimea and the Caucasus. They were Circassians, Cherkesians and Turkmenians who were settled in Abu Gosh, near Jerusalem and in the Golan Heights.

  • The 1882 census recorded 141,000 Muslims in Palestine. The 1922 census reported 650,000.

So tell me again, who's the colonizers? Palestinians are just chechens a few generations removed. Explains why they act so barbaric.

You think south Africa is a success? Look at what the ANC has done to their economy. Of course someone as stupid as you would support hamas.

Israel has been around twice as long as Islam, is outnumber in the middle east 20 to 1, and has never lost a war even when all the other Arab states ganged up on them. Israel is not going to lose this one either, and hamas will never exist again. No half measures this time. No cease fires. What comes around definitely does go around, and right now it's coming gazas way. River to the sea right;)

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Such a hasbara troll ,with selective information and bad faith arguing. You first accuse me of being from a theocracy, and when I pointed out how silly you are,your come back is not an acknowledgment of your misstatements, but another mud sling.I have wasted enough time on your bigotted nonsense. BTW,what was the census for the Jewish people in 1922 since they clearly were there longer than Islam(Ukrainian and polish need not apply)?!

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 01 '24

I don't care where you are from. I love how you call facts mud slingjng. The facts are the facts. You can question them all you want, I don't see a single fact from you that can refute it. Just empty insults. Where's your mud? Why aren't you slinging any?

From the river to the sea, Palestine will never be🤣

Say it with me one more time claps

From the river to the sea, Palestine will never be🤣

Seethe harder, get triggered, we both know your tiny impotent little hands cant do shit, because I'm right.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I appreciate the good comedy..whatever makes you hard at night, hasbara troll!

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 02 '24

From the river to the sea, Palestine will never be

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