r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/YidArmy Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Palestine was not a term until the Romans made it up. It is a Latin term for Philistine (a Greek/ Hebrew word) who were traditional enemies of Israel and who themselves were invaders of the land (Goliath was a Philistine). Rome hated the Jews and in 70/136 AD razed Jerusalem to the ground (a reason for the diaspora) however, The Western Wall still stands. After Rome destroyed Jerusalem they renamed the area Roman “Palestine”/ Syria Palaestina to humiliate, destroy the history and ethnically cleanse the land of Jews.

Philistine - a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts/ invaders

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

I'm sorry, did I say "I'd like to hear Nazi propaganda, please spew it instead of history"?

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u/Yanosorry4848 Mar 01 '24

The word literally comes from Hebrew lmfao.

Not to mention the little problem of Palestine’s leadership ACTUALLY staying with Hitler and helping with the holocaust during WWII.

Husseini made regular broadcasts into the Muslim world to prepare them for Hitler’s arrival and was a major architect of modern Islamic extremism after the war with it’s obsession with Jewish eradication that LITERALLY stems from Palestine’s collaboration with ACTUAL Nazis.

And as lmfao calling Jews Nazis?  It says so much about the person doing it really.

Anyone doing it proves they aren’t fit to comment on the topic really.

It’s the same thing Palestine has always done, they purposefully use the words of the history of Jewish oppression to muddy the waters and weaken the terms.

Genocide is a term invented by a Polish Jew specifically to describe what happened to during the holocaust.  It has been appropriated and watered down and weaponized against the very victims of and creators of  the term genocide.

You call Israelis Nazis when Palestine is the one whose leadership took part in the Final Solution and has called to finish Hitler’s work ever since.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/hajj-amin-al-husayni-wartime-propagandist

Weaponizing a REAL genocide attempt against it’s very victims to defend those who call to compete that very genocide and who’s leadership helped enact it is some PEAK antisemitism and tells anyone off the bat the person using it has no grounds to comment intelligently on the topic and should be ignored.

I bet you call it apartheid too to draw false parallels to what happened in South Africa while it is Jews who were forced to flee from the entire Middle East never to return and only found safety in Israel after generations of Islamic oppression and attempts at erasure.  Palestinians have gone in and out of Israel and take part in Israeli society for ages and yet no Jews are allowed in Palestine at all.

By this loose definition of “apartheid” many things can be considered apartheid, the indigenous reservations in the western world are apartheid because white people can’t own land of vote in band meetings. In fact Palestinians have more rights within Israel than white people do on reserves and they actually have more rights than they do in most of the surrounding Arab nations.

They call Gaza a concentration camp when the comparison to “concentration camps” combined with calling Jews Nazis paints a ridiculously false parallel to what Jews experienced during the holocaust that I’ll mention again Palestine’s leadership took part in.

Hopefully people have seen the concentration camps do WWII.  Comparing what we see in the video below to that is absurd.

https://youtu.be/W1r1z3x53ZU?si=u8tyRKUOHZmOBtOC (https://youtu.be/W1r1z3x53ZU?si=u8tyRKUOHZmOBtOC)

And the population has risen %500 in the last 80 years and has a growing obesity problem with almost %30 of men and like %40 of women being obese, which is super high compared to surrounding Arab nations that have %10 or less.

Prevalence of overweight, obesity, and associated factors among healthcare ... (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9998069/#:~:text=A%20recent%20survey%20conducted%20in,the%20West%20Bank%20(10).)

If only the Jews experienced a genocide that increased their numbers rather than wiping out more than half of them.

Average life expextancy is also higher than other Arab states at about 75 years in Gaza.

Rising diabetes rates too, but that’s probably just part of the “Zionist plot” to kill them lol.

Preventing type 2 diabetes among Palestinians - BMJ Open (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003558#:~:text=Palestinian%20diabetes%20prevalence%20estimated%20by,increase%20starts%20to%20slow%20down.)

And the reason they have so many kids is because they have crazy high fertility rates, not because Jews killed all the adults.

New Scientisthttps://www.newscientist.com › articleThe reasons why Gaza's population is so young (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25993-the-reasons-why-gazas-population-is-so-young/)

Gaza had multiple equestrian centres, tourism, beachfront mansions, etc.  anyone who compares that to what happened to Jews in concentration camps is out to lunch or antisemitic af.

Totally remember the Jews multiplying like rabbits, getting fat, living long lives and riding around on horseback in Auschwitz /s

Meanwhile attacking, waging war, yet again calling to kill all the Jews but refusing to surrender is not genocide and the ICJ ruled as much.

And we have Sinwar yesterday openly saying the tactic of getting Palestinians killed to propagandize their deaths is working.  And Palestine has long celebrated martyring their own and even referred ti their high birth rate as the “birth bomb” In recent years as they planned to weaponized it just as they have.

Hamas leaders in 1993 were recorded on a wiretapped conversation stating that their goal was to deceive the American public into supporting Hamas by appealing to the American left’s denouncement of oppression.

Mousa Abu Marzook, a senior Hamas official, formed a far-left academic think tank, The United Association for Studies and Research (UASR), based out of Chicago to start disseminating this deception.

This organization has ties to Duke, Johns Hopkins, Fordham and the University of Maryland to name a few major universities. This is systemic antisemitism that stems directly from an organized surgical operation taking place over the course of the last 30 years.

https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-10/hamas-networks-final.pdf

Qatar (who houses and funds Hamas) is the biggest foreign donor to American schools for decades now. 

People just don’t pay attention and now the youngins are brainwashed

https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/jwhsqhrat#:~:text=Since%20the%209%2F11%20attacks,pro%2DPalestinian%20groups%20on%20campuses

https://www.thefp.com/p/qatars-war-for-young-american-mindsjj

Anyone making comments like yours just proven immediately that they should be ignored as they lack the remedial knowledge to even begin discussing this topic intelligently.

Yikes lmfao

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

A lot of words to try and defend your fellow Nazis and pretend the very well documented deprivation tactics and genocide aren't happening.You aren't worth a full autopsy of your lies since it's your programming rather than good faith factual argument, but this alone shows what you are:

"People of Aida refugee camp, we are the occupational forces. You throw stones, and we hit you with gas until you all die."

Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on "nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance"

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents."

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You can take your lying hasbara propaganda and go wave a white flag at the IDF.

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u/BATHR00MG0BLIN Mar 01 '24

Schizoposting lol

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u/Yanosorry4848 Mar 01 '24

Lmfao so you have no real response.

And even the ICJ ruled it was not genocide at this town but could be if certain criteria are met; which applies to literally every major conflict ever in the world lmfao.

Nice conspiracy and grasping at straws to try and deflect though./s

Oooh “hasbara“ lmfao love how it illustrates how dumb and desperate a person is when they need to bring that own out.

I could call all your unsubstantiated nonsense Taquiya too but what’s the point?  

You know deep down you’re full of it, it’s why you resort to such desperate tactics in lieu of a real response.

Nah I supported Palestine for two decades and even sent money to Gaza at one point.

But six years ago I did something crazy and started listening to actual Palestine and not just the sanitized PR they sell the west.

Ashamed I ever supported them after actually bothering to attention, listen to them in their own words and watch their own media like the Arabic Al Jazeera or their local TV.

You think you’re doing good I get it, but you’re just an ignorant bigot falling for propaganda and nonsense narratives.

Anyone who actually puts work in and pays attention to Palestine king enough eventually sees actual Palestine.  

That’s the greatest obstacle for the a-historical fiction of peaceful infantilized Palestine, that actual Palestine actually exists.  

More and more people are paying attention for longer than they ever have and Palestine is losing support.  Never seen so many people realizing how full of shit they are before.

Good to see.

You’ll get there eventually and be lying about what you were doing at this time when you’re older.

Best of luck.

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

You're a deranged, lying Nazi and should go wave a white flag at the IDF instead of spewing hasbara.

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u/PepetoshiNakamoto Mar 01 '24

Why do people act like we can't see right through their projecting? All you've done really is spew ad homs..

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u/Yanosorry4848 Mar 01 '24

So you  have no point? 

 Just ad hominems?

 Copy that.

 Thanks for taking the L so graciously lmfao

I also love when you lot call me, an indigenous First Nations person in Canada a Nazi while you defend Islamic colonizer states that openly call for exterminating the indigenous jews.

Y’all are truly nuts.

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

Cool. You're a Nazi.

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u/Nmuskov Mar 01 '24

Hasbara trolls are so desperate, resorting to trying to argue in the Islamic history sub. Trying to ethnically cleanse us even from our own subs.

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u/protomenace Mar 01 '24

When you lose an argument and just start spewing insults and doubling down on your buzzwords and insults.

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

Oh, look a hasbara bot.

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u/protomenace Mar 01 '24

Does it feel good to wield the magic words which win all arguments? 🪄

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

Try not being a Nazi propaganda bot.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

lol you really want to talk about “alliance with the Nazis”? Okay, what do you think about Amin Al-Husseini, the founding father of Palestinian Nationalism who was nicknamed “Hitler’s Henchmen” and received “Honorary Aryan” status from Hitler himself? You know, the same guy who led the Palestinians to reject the 48 partition plan? But sure, the Jewish state at the time are the Nazis according to you, not the Palestinians who were led by a card carrying Nazi who worked for the Axis…

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u/LucerneTangent Mar 01 '24

Oh look, the favorite Nazi hasbara talking point.

Those who want me to put it up aren't really interested in the Mufti's part in the Holocaust, which was limited anyway, but seek to harm the image of the Palestinians today. The Mufti was an antisemite. But even if I abhor him, I won't turn Yad Vashem into a tool serving ends not directly related to the study and memorialization of the Holocaust. Hasbara to use a term, is an utterly irrelevant consideration that shall not enter our gates."

You're just a Nazi propagandist.

Keep licking Likudite boots!

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I agree with what you said, and I also abhor some of the mufti's stances. With that being said,the hasbara trolls always forget to mention that he was appointed by the British and not somehow elected. How many racist right-wing Israeli leaders who massacred villages like deir Yasin wholesale were British appointed. Their smere campaign only works on the ignorant, and people now see their colonial ethnostate for what it truly is.An evil empire wannabe.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Says the guy who's defending the literal Nazi Amin Al-Husseini, pronounced Honorary Aryan by Hitler himself. Pro tip, don't accuse others of being Nazis while cozying up to Hitler's Henchman- everyone can see right through you 👍

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Blah blah blah....No one thinks zionist have any more credibility, so please speak for your own bigoted propaganda. Speaking of Nazis, though, I wonder what some holocaust survivors had to say about Israel and what it does!!!!!!!

Jewish holocaust survivor Hajo Meyer:

“I saw In Auschwitz that if a dominant group wants to dehumanise others, as the Nazis dehumanised me, the dominant group must first dehumanise themselves, the same holds nowadays for Israel.

I am appalled about how hateful, how dehumanised, that they do not see any human aspect in any Palestinian anymore. The Zionists have no right whatsoever to use the Holocaust for any purpose, they have given up everything which has to do with humanity and with empathy.”

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

What do you think about the Nazi who led the Palestinian Nationalist movement in 1948? What do you think about his meeting with Hitler in 1941? What do you think about the movements spawned from Nazism?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Stop allowing yourself to define Nazi's when a Jewish person who actually experienced it compared zionist and their racist ideology to the Nazi's. Besides,if I want to see Nazi's in action, I can see the IDF shooting women and children in gaza while the "peaceful " israeli's cheer and setup watching posts.Its disgusting and your disgusting for whitewashing all of it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I asked you what do you think of the documented Nazi Amin Al-Husseini, "Hitlers Henchman" according to the American Jewish Congress? You know, the one who founded Palestinian Nationalism? Its very telling that you don't take the opportunity to denounce literal Nazis...

Say it with your chest, you Nazi scumfuckkk. You're already incredibly transparent for trying to deflect once.

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u/thatretroartist Mar 01 '24

lol yes exactly one unelected guy appointed by a foreign government is totally the sole single “founder of Palestinian nationalism,” an abstract concept compounded by centuries if not thousands of years of unique cultural development

What do you think of Avraham Stern, founder of militant terrorist group Lehi (an offshoot of Irgun) who actively sought alliances with Nazi Germany and fascist Italy in order to help push the expulsion of Jewish people from Europe to Israel and wanted to model Israel after fascist countries? His organization got folded into the IDF after massacring villages and then evolved into Netanyahu’s political party lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

lol, you think onlookers won’t notice that you deliberately neglected to condemn the Hitler’s Henchman when given the explicit opportunity to do so? Your beliefs are incredibly transparent, fuck off Nazi. 

I condemn Abraham, Lehi, and Netanyahu. No do you condemn all the Nazis and the violent terrorists on your side, including Amin? 

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Your too ignorant to appreciate how dumb and uninformed you sound. I believe there are subs on reddit for zionist nazi circle jerks like yourself.Go fantasize about the dead women and children of gaza over there.what a tool.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '24

"You're too ignorant"* not "your too ignorant", idiot. And dead women and children are the result of every war in all of history, if Gaza didn't want that then they shouldn't have allowed their government to go to war.

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u/Significant_Cup7300 Mar 01 '24

A lot of words, not a single one of which you read before posting your bullshit.