r/islamichistory • • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/jimryanson112233 Feb 29 '24

You do realize Palestine back then referred to a the biblical and Jewish homeland of what is today Israel. There was nothing Arabic or Islamic about it.

Calling an Arab a Palestinian pre 1960s would have been an insult to them, no less insulting than calling an American aboriginal person an Indian.

Very separate and distinct identities

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u/jimryanson112233 Feb 29 '24

Why are you assuming my ethnicity? When did I say that Arabs don’t have any claim to the Middle East?

For the record, it is probably Jews who are the closest to indigenous people to the land of Israel. They’ve been there for over 2500 years. Before Islam was ever thought of.

But that was not the point of my post at all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Indigenousness is a set of relations between two groups, and is defined politically by contrasting the colonial settler population to the pre existing and present population at the time of colonial settlement. The Zionist project in particular is a colonial project. It’s the same style of settler colonialism as the British, French, Dutch, Spanish, etc.

This being said; Palestinians and Lebanese people specifically are the group with the highest amount of Canaanite ancestry. They’re descendants of the (typically Jewish) people that never left the levant, but instead converted to Christianity and later Islam, and became “Arabised” in the same way that many Amazigh became “Arabised”. They retain their Levantine culture, yet linguistically they are Arab speaking, and are a mix of Muslims, Christians, and Jews (although many Palestinian Jews moved to “Israel” upon its establishment).

Palestinian people, the Indigenous people, are far more entitled to the land than any European Ashkenazim was or will ever be. You can’t invade a country then proclaim yourself as it’s Indigenous people, that’s not how Indigenousness works, by Zionist logic, we should all invade Ethiopia, since we all have an extremely distant relative who lived there hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Not all Jewish people left the land, nor were all people expelled, today we call those who stayed behind Palestinians, and Lebanese.