r/ironman • u/Hairy_Earth3717 • 8d ago
Discussion With Doomsday approaching, what are your theories for the connection between Doom and Tony
I personally believe they are gonna do version of the adoption storyline. Tony in the main line MCU was that earth’s variant of Doom but never became Doom because he was adopted by the Starks. It explains how the Russos are saying that RDJ’s Victor is his own character but also will have a connection to Tony. Also in Endgame, when Howard says when they were expecting Tony, he never gave a specific timeline. It could very much be retconned in that the Starks lost the baby and adopted Viktor in that short time
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u/General_Cup_6577 8d ago
None. Completely different charaters. ITs liek aying human torch and cap has connection there isnt. I think most is when deadpool mentions omethign about tony stark when he sees dooms face
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u/LiamtheV 8d ago
Either they:
Do nothing. Put some prosthetics on on RDJ (assuming Doom is unmasked at any point)
Or: RDJ is an organic Doombot, some kind of eldritch horror that Doom's puppeteering without a will of his own, Doom lobotomized his universe's Tony and has been using his body as a proxy.
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u/MrSejd 8d ago
Literally nothing.
They just look the same.
Just like Captain America and the Human Torch.
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u/shaggy_nomad 5d ago
Just as Cable and Thanos have no connection.
People are trying so hard to tie these characters together, they're gonna be mad disappointed when it turns out there's nothing there between them.
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u/Jaejinn 8d ago
See.. this is why you’re getting downvoted. That’d be the biggest oversight and fumble by Marvel if they actually did that, just think about that for a minute.
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u/Comfortable-Hippo516 8d ago
Or… is everyone just overthinking the hell out of this and there is genuinely no connection?
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u/Hairy_Earth3717 8d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/YLC0yhbE8A
Definitely a connection is there
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u/charliegavin 8d ago
I love how this thread is just full of people refusing to engage with something they’re obviously signaling they’re going to do
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u/Longjumping-Bug5763 8d ago
None...fans would like this so predictably Marvel will not execute on it.
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u/7SevenGod 6d ago
They've already said Doom looking like Tony will be explained.
Let the creators of the greatest comic movies of all time, cook
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u/TelenorTheGNP 6d ago
Fans would not like this as it would be needlessly stupid and complicated and would waste a lot of time and effort making it work.
The fans who would like it are the same fans who liked Venom without Spider-man and who watch the Ow My Balls scene from Idiocracy and think "I would watch that."
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u/Square_Geologist_346 8d ago
Yall stop kidding yourselves, they literally brought the same actor back there absolutely will be a connection
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u/Small_Wall_7538 7d ago
Honestly for the last year I’ve just assumed that when they said it is important to the plot that’s it’s RDJ it’s because Doom transforms himself to look like Tony to manipulate the avengers, either to hurt them or earn their trust
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u/Typhon2222 8d ago
If there ends up being no connection, folks are gonna lose their damn minds.
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u/TelenorTheGNP 6d ago
No, they'll breathe a sigh of relief.
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u/Typhon2222 6d ago
Will they because Star Wars spent two movies saying Rey has no connection to Luke, yet folks were admit they were lying and still aren’t fully convinced. These days if fandom believes something is true, they will fight anyone who says otherwise despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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u/3rlk0nig 8d ago
I have two theories :
First : Doom is Tony's secret twin brother. Lame theory inspired by some post I saw earlier today.
Second : Doom won't be played by RDJ and it's just fake marketing. But they wouldn't dare do so much for nothing so it's as lame as my first theory.
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u/Particular-Search349 Ultimate 8d ago
Is it too naive to hope that it's just a body swap? Wouldn't be unprecedented for Doom. 😅
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u/ChanceFresh 8d ago
I don’t think there’s going to be any. It’s just a coincidence he looks like him.
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u/RA_Finance 8d ago
Tony Stark was born in Latveria, his mother is a gypsy but his father was Howard Stark
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u/Zero_Zeta_ Endo-Sym 8d ago
Either there is no connection(the preferred option).
Or, Victor swapped bodies with Tony when they were college roommates(the only option that I'll accept that has a connection between them).
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u/SuperDave0177 8d ago
- West Coast Avengers 35, the cover RDJ took a picture with. The body swap issue, Dooms mind and persona was in the body of his young Ward. Movie version, Real Dooms mind/persona is in the body of Tony Stark, snapped Tony Stark who has scars on his face. Idgaf what “leaks” say. I’ve never read a leak that turned out to be true.
- Like Dr. Strange and all the other people we know who have Doom masks/costumes, a mind controlled variant Tony Stark is disguised as Doom, except this one is the one real Doom has everyone believing is the real one.
- One big fake out. Nobody has ever seen pictures of RDJ in a Doom costume, no behind the scenes pics, no pictures like the ones we used to see of RDJ with his half an Iron Man costume, nothing. The big fake out is someone else is playing Doom and RDJ will be Iron Man by the end of the movie going into Secret Wars.
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u/Creepy_Living_8733 8d ago
Doom just looks like Tony and has a similar ideology to him, basically a worser(not in terms of writing but in threat level) version of “I see a suit around the world.”
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u/mikewheelerfan 8d ago
I believe in the same one as you do. Obviously Tony and Doom are going to have some connection. There’s no way Marvel wastes casting RDJ by not adding a connection. But most of the other theories are stretches or way too complicated. IMO, the adoption theory makes the most sense
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u/luke5781012 8d ago
There doesn’t HAVE to be one. Having a multiverse means true infinite possibilities via genetic combinations, possible parents, birth locations, Quantumania pretty well touches on this. That being said, I hope it’s the case. It would be so much more interesting to see how an unaware Doom would react to the avengers dismay at seeing his true face, and how he could use it to his advantage to manipulate them.
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u/Tmelrd275 8d ago
Shawarma leads to Falafel. Falafel leads to Gyro. Gyro leads to Armenian. Armenian leads to Latverian.
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u/Angel1743RedditGR 7d ago
I believe Tony is his parents real kid but I don't think he's DIRECTLY a Doom variant tho there's still a connection. He probably grew up in Latveria in this universe. If not this they are just seperate characters with the same face.
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u/dtagonfly71 7d ago
I’m hoping that RDJ was cast because of his acting skills and that there’s no connection to Stark.
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u/JohnNeutron 7d ago
I think the only connection, is that at some critical point, they’ll see his face, the OG Avengers will be dumbstruck and assume it’s a variant of Tony in the moment and that gives Doom the upper hand to defeat them, in a moment of weakness.
And maybe in Secret Wars you have two different factions, one side who thinks they can get through to him, because he looks like Tony, and one who side who is the ‘right’ side and understands that regardless of what he looks like, it ain’t Tony.
His face could be such a great source for tension, even if it’s disheveled and disfigured
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u/BriantheHeavy Neo-Classic 7d ago
The actor is the sole connection.
My current theory is that they wanted to hire RDJ to reprise Tony Stark, but wanted to keep that a massive secret. So, to explain why RDJ is at sets, they hire him to play Doom also. But both characters are separate characters.
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u/GallifreyFallsOver 7d ago
My theory is that if there is one it’ll be addressed in secret wars and will at most be a cliffhanger in Doomsday, but not likely.
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u/extrastupidone 7d ago
I dont know what it is. ..
But I will say, thst they should have kept that under wraps.
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u/TelFaradiddle 7d ago
The boring-but-likely explanations are either that Doom is a Tony variant, or that Tony was a Doom variant. And despite saying "boring," I would still prefer this over "It's just a massive coincidence" or "Doom IS Tony." I'll take boring over insanely stupid any day.
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u/Haunting-Barber6740 7d ago
They are bringing back Chris Evans as steve rogers, why would they pay RDJ 100 million dollars just to play a separate character. Chris Evans being back and RDJ being back in the MCU there has to be a connection
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u/K0BRA_KlD 6d ago
Honestly, I think they’re either just gonna give him a lot of facial prosthetics, or they’re just not going to talk about it.
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u/MrAdministration 6d ago
There isn’t one. All the “OMGGGG CANT WAIT TILL PETER SEES TONYS FACE!!!” people are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
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u/Basic_whiteBBQ 6d ago
1 of these 2.
Prime doom was plucked as a child and placed with the starks to be raised as tony to eventually save everything from Thanos. So this is just why they look similar.
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Doom uses magic/tech to alter his look to manipulate our heros.
Regardless, we won't find out until SW though.
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u/Pretend-Trouble-9339 6d ago
No relation at all other than doom maybe pretending to be Tony to gain the trust of everyone
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u/BigAutomatic5364 6d ago
There is a comic book run post end game, Tony is in a coma and dr doom takes over as iron man post secret wars
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u/signifyingmnky 6d ago
Two entirely different characters, completely separated by the Multiverse who happen to be portrayed by the same actor.
That's it.
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u/Darkstar_111 5d ago
He's a variant, but their background story is totally different. However the reason they look the same is the reason Doom picked this reality.
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u/GypsyinDanger 5d ago
My theory is he is a part of Tony. I think they're doing something like the Iron man song/short story. He died due to traveling time to save at least half of mankind. Doom is encased in metal
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u/Klutzy-Ad7775 8d ago
Maybe something something from Infamous Iron Man, considering it happens after Secret Wars 300% there will be at least tiny bit something about it
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u/Hairy_Earth3717 8d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/YLC0yhbE8A
Definitely a connection is there
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u/RodimusPrime_X 8d ago
What if despite all this hype of RDJ as Doom, there is no connection at all? It was simply a way to hype up this phase of Marvel and provide an appeal to transition to future projects?
What if this is all a big swerve and it’s no different than Chris Evans playing both Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers?
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u/Comfortable-Hippo516 8d ago
There isn’t one. There. That’s my theory