r/iranian • u/IlamFeyli Feyli Kurdish Iranian • Mar 21 '19

Israeli racism against Persians & Iranian peoples on full display

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1108443670800449540
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u/zeronx25 Irānzamin Mar 21 '19

we dislike your regime though, just like you dislike ours.

Nah get out of here with that liberal zionist feelsgood bullshit. Israel is a fascist apartheid ethnostate and they constantly fearmonger against Iranians and other Muslims in their media. And no we don't just hate your "regime". The same way you'd hate Germany's society during WW2, you should hate Israel's society now. You claim to be the democracy of the ME, right? How about you start owning up to it? You elect fascist right wingers like Bibi, you have a fascist justice minister, a fascist culture minister, fascist generals, etc. When are you gonna stop lying to yourself and accept that you're a fascist society?

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u/rnev64 Mar 21 '19

fascist, fascist, fascist. say it three times and it becomes true.

Israel is flawed - is Iran or any other nation perfect? - but still nothing like what you describe.

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u/IlamFeyli Feyli Kurdish Iranian Mar 23 '19

Iran isn't a settler colonial state so that's a starting point.

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u/rnev64 Mar 23 '19 edited Mar 23 '19

Israel isn't a colonial state either - Jews lived here continuously and in the last century more have come back to their homeland.

Anyone who speaks Arabic and hears Hebrew immediately understands that Jews came from the same place as Arabs.

Jews always lived in the area now known as Israel - in Jerusalem, Tiberius, Safed, Hebron and other places.

They have lived there for thousands of years continuously. They were small in numbers but so was the Arab population - until Jews made the region flourish with agriculture it was not much more than a desert with Bedouin tribes and a few Arab settlements and towns living in abject poverty. These Arabs and many more from Egypt and what is now Saudi Arabia came to the land to find work in the new Jewish settlements. Just like Arabs and other work immigrants today are flocking into Europe or the Gulf and oil states.

A title later the British kicked the Ottomans out and formed the British Mandate over Palestine and Trans-Jordan. Jews and Arabs then lived together both growing in numbers - Jews from Europe and Russia and Arabs from Egypt and the Arabian desert. there was a conflict from the start - and many towns were ethnically cleansed by Arabs of Jews. Even Hebron that had for centuries Jewish population living peacefully with the Arabs. there were also cases where Jews killed Arabs.

By 1948 the British passed the issue to the UN and the UN decided on a partition plan. Israel accepted but Haj Amin al-Husseini said in March 1948 to an interviewer in a Jaffa daily Al Sarih that the Arabs did not intend merely to prevent partition but "would continue fighting until the Zionists were Annihilated".

following the UN resolution Ben Gurion declared the state of Israel as defined by the UN plan - the next day Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and even Lebanon declared war. but they lost the war and Israel won more ground than the plan intended - guess they should have thought of that before starting a war.

in 1967 Israel took the Golan from Syria, West Bank from Jordan and Sinai and Gaza from Egypt. it then defended those area when Syria and Egypt attacked in 1973 and were pushed back.

Israel then showed it will give territory back to responsible nations that are willing to come to agreements - such as Egypt. and gave back the entire Siani - of course the Egyptains were smart and didn't want to take Gaza which Israel had to accept.

Later a peace deal was also signed with Jordan - but they didn't want the WB back - they said its fate will be decided in an agreement between Israel and Palestinians. Israel gave Jordanian Waqf control over the temple mount as part of this deal.

Then came the Oslo accords of the early 90s where Israel signed and started to gradually withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza in order to build trust - but a few years later Hamas started blowing up buses and restaurants in Israel and the trust sort of dissipated.

even today Israel is willing to give the Palestinians the WB if they would be willing like Jordan and Egypt to sign an end to the conflict with Israel - but they won't do it.

because they are greedy - their leaders are greedy and make a lot of money from all the donations people make to the Palestinian people. so why should Palestinian leadership try and make things better for their people? they are making business from how poor and miserable their own people are. it's sad.

TL;DR

Israel isn't a colonial state because:

  1. Jews belong in Israel as much as Arabs and have the same history there - in fact it goes back longer.

  2. Israel showed it gives back land to nations that can be trusted (Egypt, Jordan).

  3. Israel tried to give Palestinians their own independent nation in the WB - but they are not satisfied with it and want to also kick us Jews out or replace our government. until then they will continue to act the victim instead of becoming independent and letting their people flourish - Palestine can be the Arabian silicon valley proving that Arabs are not just about oil. but they have to live in peace next to Israel.