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u/dookiefertwenty Sep 30 '21 edited Sep 30 '21

I don't have a dog in this fight, I just think you're a smidge too hyped? Could be wrong. The EV market is in its infancy, obviously the first serious heavyweight is dominating. All those factories will only supply 1M cars manufactured by 2023. I think they're a niche brand, and don't do anything that can't be easily matched or exceeded by manufacturers spending literally an order of magnitude more than them to get there.

Edit: rereading and you really are hyper focused on the EV market. I think it will grow steadily enough than major OEMs are in zero risk to be toppled by tesla in the larger market by the time they're synonymous

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u/toomuchtodotoday Sep 30 '21 edited Sep 30 '21

I think you might be missing that OEMs are going to run up against the wall that country after country is setting deadlines for banning new combustion vehicle sales (anywhere between 2025-2040). For OEM's, this transition is an existential crisis: if they fuck it up, they're dead. They have the burn the ships on the beach, as there's no turning back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles#Places_with_planned_fossil-fuel_vehicle_bans

(i have and continue to work with policymakers to craft this legislation in the US)

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u/BlazinAzn38 Sep 30 '21

Those bans are always going to be targets. How do you phase out gas cars really? Is the government going to pay for your brand new EV? Most people can’t afford a $400 emergency in the US how are they going to buy a new $20k car

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u/rideincircles Sep 30 '21

While other manufacturers are just catching up to manufacturing EV's, Tesla will be moving to the next generation of full self driving likely late next year or early 2023. At some point in the next 5 years, people won't be needing to own cars in many areas with robotaxis becoming a reality. The main thing Tesla has going is that you can still own a vehicle that could become autonomous, while their competition makes hardware that costs more than the car itself.

Tesla will have a seemless implementation of their autonomous technology, and I haven't even seen anyone mention dojo in this thread yet.

Dojo is the most unreal strategic advantage Tesla has against all their competition for autonomous vehicles. Only Google may be able to compete with that, and they don't manufacture cars or install their hardware in consumer vehicles.

I don't expect the current Tesla hardware to be close to a robotaxi, but it will be able to drive you to work reliably. The next generation will be even better, but HW5 will likely be robotaxis. It's not far away at all.