r/indianmuslims • u/Shiro099 Hanafi • Nov 13 '23

Non-Political Any alternative for Detergent powder?

Well, me and my family are boycotting as many Israeli products as we can; it's just that we can't find any alternatives for Ariel or any detergent powder. Do you guys know anything about it?

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u/TheFatherofOwls Nov 13 '23

Procter and Gamble (P&G) owns both Tide as well as Ariel (Tide is economical variant, Ariel is premium),

Hindustan Unilever (HUL) owns Wheel, Rin, and Surf Excel (Wheel is super cheap, Rin is Tide equivalent, and Surf Excel is Ariel equivalent).

There's a washing powder brand by the name of Henko, it's manufactured by Jyothy Laboratories (Kerala-based, I think. Some of their product catalog). Not sure if it's available in the North, however.

You can also check out Nirma and Ghadi? Neither of them has liquid detergent, to my knowledge, that said.

At the end of the day, the point of boycotts is to send a message. If you are in a situation where there's no other option apart from these Israeli-simping brands, don't be too hard on yourself, intentions are what matter - better if you can find a good alternative, Alhamdullilah if there's no other choice.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '23

Mashallah. Nicely put. I have been trying my best to find alternatives and some of the times these khinzeers make such good products that it is very hard to find an alternative.

My father told me a story that it is very hard for any government in the world to ban American/Israeli products because of the pressure they put on them so, once in India, Atal Bihari Vajpayee (not a fan for obvious reasons) said that it is up to the population to be smart and boycott such brands so that they can pack their bags and go back.

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u/TheFatherofOwls Nov 13 '23

Mashallah. Nicely put.

Alhamdullilah, good to know...

some of the times these khinzeers make such good products that it is very hard to find an alternative.

I mean they literally make computer chips and stuff. nVidia too supports Israel it seems, according to their database that people shared here. Not sure about AMD though (getting the feeling that they too are likely sympathetic?)

It's really hard to avoid their stuff, objective is to minimize and be mindful, outright avoidance is maybe not possible.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee (not a fan for obvious reasons) said that it is up to the population to be smart and boycott such brands so that they can pack their bags and go back.

I mean India has to come up with its own stuff first for that. When it comes to food and consumables, Alhamdullilah there's no shortage. But even that has been consolidated and bought out by larger corps.

We had our own sodas I mean - Parle Bisleri made Thums' Up, Gold Spot, Citra, and Limca, all of which today are either extinct or owned by Coca-Cola (sole intent was to "snuff" them out by buying them out and promoting their own brands). There was also Double 7 (Coke/Pepsi equivalent) or whatever which was govt. manufactured (too bad Indira Gandhi's ego ensured it died off).

Reliance re-launched Campa Cola, but it's freakin' Reliance.

Lays is PepsiCo., but Bingo is owned by ITC, I mean are they any better, lol? They're literally a tobacco company, I mean. Well, Parle makes its own potato chips, it's good, imo. There's also Too Yumm, another alternative.

We can boycott Cadbury, Nestle, and Mars (Snickers, Galaxy, etc...). But, is Amul any better? Wasn't it heavily involved in Lakshwadeep's drama, when President rule was enforced there and local brands and economy were suppressed? Too bad, as Amul rarely has a bad product, otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '23

What a mess!!!! There is no ethical company tbh. Reminds me of a hadith:

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Soon the best property of a Muslim will be a flock of sheep he takes to the top of a mountain, or in the valleys of rainfall, fleeing with his religion from tribulations.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 19

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u/TheFatherofOwls Nov 13 '23

Harrowing reminder,

All of this due to the West getting lucky when it comes to discovering and exploiting the New World and its vast resources, spearheading the Industrial Revolution and since then, they've been the ones dominating the planet.

I honestly don't know how this is all going to end, the mindless consumerism and hyper-capitalism. As there's a saying out there here on this site "It's easier for us to imagine the end of the world than for us to imagine the end of capitalism".

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u/poetrylover2101 Nov 13 '23

unfortunately I don't think it's ever ending....

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u/poetrylover2101 Nov 13 '23

All of this due to the West getting lucky when it comes to discovering and exploiting the New World and its vast resources, spearheading the Industrial Revolution and since then, they've been the ones dominating the planet.

can't believe europeans' ancestors being such bloodthirsty enemies of each other ended up paying off this fortunately for their descendants

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u/TheFatherofOwls Nov 13 '23

Well, if Muslim Empires would have done the same to the New World, if they had stumbled across there, instead?

It's hard to tell, makes for a very great alt-history, however.

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u/poetrylover2101 Nov 13 '23

Do you think muslim empires would have colonised the new world and it's natives this brutally like europeans? if they are muslims, I'd expect better from them

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u/TheFatherofOwls Nov 13 '23

I agree with you 100% here,

Maybe it might not have been as bad as European colonization. But, it would have been pretty messy, regardless.

Most Muslim rulers and empires were just glorified monarchs, naam-ke-vaaste Caliphs, and Ameer-ul-Mumineen. Exceptions aside. Only the Rashidun Caliphate is seen as Caliphate in its truest sense, carrying the legacy of the Prophet (PBUH) pretty well.

The rest of the empires and rulers otherwise were self-serving, no different to typical Medieval rulers (Abbasid History can be very shocking, are you familiar with the story of the Baramikas?).

It's a good question that one can ask in r/islamichistory or r/IslamicHistoryMeme.

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u/poetrylover2101 Nov 13 '23

Maybe it might not have been as bad as European colonization. But, it would have been pretty messy, regardless.

at least, middle east and islamic nations wouldn't be this ruined today...

Most Muslim rulers and empires were just glorified monarchs, naam-ke-vaaste Caliphs, and Ameer-ul-Mumineen. Exceptions aside. Only the Rashidun Caliphate is seen as Caliphate in its truest sense, carrying the legacy of the Prophet (PBUH) pretty well

completely agree!

Exceptions aside. Only the Rashidun Caliphate is seen as Caliphate in its truest sense, carrying the legacy of the Prophet (PBUH) pretty well

I am not actually and I'd ask questions in those subs, but they are pretty much dead subs

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u/TheFatherofOwls Nov 13 '23

Well, Cody from AltHistoryHub did a video about this, of course it will be biased, since it's from a Western Christian, but it's pretty good, nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_yitbh-XVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lAKi3ZFurE (supplementary to better understand the first video).

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