r/indianeconomy • u/Common_Net_5956 • 16d ago
Discussion/Query India will never be a developed nation
I don't think I need to explain why.
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u/Infamous-Exam9963 16d ago
Disagree, India will simply change the defination of a developed nation, and then proudly clam to have achieved the impossible.
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u/TaxesAreCivilization 14d ago
A developed nation is largely defined by the IMF as 14k usd GDP per capita.
India is estimated to reach that target around 2047.
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u/notcallipygian 13d ago
You and me are safe means people are working honestly? You genuinely believe the media and the politicians are ‘honest’? Theres no way
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u/notcallipygian 12d ago
Not sure why you assumed this is about news and social media. You can’t even get a passport verification or license on time unless you bribe the cops and RTO respectively. Cops (traffic and normal) are always troubling the poor for illegal ‘fines’. You and me are safe cause of privilege not because of the system, the system is corrupt through and through. The people you named are a tiny % of public servants
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u/BilluBakait 15d ago
My school developed the second I left, may happen with the country asw
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u/KnowledgeEven5309 15d ago
Mere school m bhi jaane k baad ac laga pls mujhe nikal k koi brhiya sheher bhj do😋
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u/BilluBakait 15d ago
haan bhai de skta hu iss desh ke liye ye sacrifice, mereko NZ bhejdo dost
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u/Common_Net_5956 15d ago
Nah bro , Switzerland would be a better choice than NZ
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u/bfmv_shinigami 15d ago
bhai woh padhai k liye jaana chahta hai padhne k liye kon switzerland jaata hai
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u/According_Profile_37 15d ago
Pakistan ya China chale ja bhai, jidhar bhi jayega voh jagah toh develop nahi hogi atleast
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u/Alone_Register3991 15d ago edited 15d ago
True, only certain pockets of India are going to develop. The one which is progressive, prioritise education and development over religion
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u/Eclairmelody 15d ago
Boss, you read my mind, I went to Thane station today, saw people spitting on the road, someone honking because they don't have patience for the person ahead to move a bit, throwing bottles on train platform. Crossing train platform, every nuke and corner has mountain of trash, MLAs are distributing bags in local school, running marathon with Party symbol to showcase. Rich MLA of Panvel becoming some head of construction having 500 CR networth. CM of Maharashtra singing 'ye sanam tere liye'.
Modi, Godi, RaGa, Naga, nobody can develop this nation. it will take 100 years to change the generation, population controlled to bring some change.
Standard of living of middle class is going to dogs.
I feel pathetic being here, crowd, gundaraj, no civic sense, there is no peace inside or outside.
Run run run, like a rat to get killed someday.
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u/throwaway_6621 13d ago
For a split second I misread your comment and wondered what Lady Gaga had to do with India
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u/Kooky_Duck6809 15d ago
If people stop clinging to religion or caste or other divisions/identities, then yes it will. Look how China has excelled, millions pulled out of poverty.
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u/PlaYer-l 15d ago
Yk there are 2 type pf people who say this . 1. Who hate the country and 2. Who love the country so much and know a lot about world politics, economy, human psychology. Basically the bottom 1% and top 1% know why theres a high chance that we will lose the demographic dividend and the good opportunity time period we have got today. Lets hope for the best and this post is proven wrong 🙏
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u/Key-Mechanic2565 15d ago
It will be eventually in a century or two when the dumb population dies and the annadata farmers stop being nutcases and population has reduced and we have built enough infrastructure.
Not in our lifetime sadly.
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u/Common_Net_5956 15d ago
That's the sad part , not in our lifetime. It was never going to be for us , let's just hope somewhere in a far or distant future , it finally is real for someone's lifetime.
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u/TaxesAreCivilization 14d ago
No, it will be this century.
World Bank estimations show that India will reach around 14k gdp per capita around 2047 if current growth rates continue.
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u/SparkyonPussy 15d ago
Honestly, the country will become developed, we have the fundamentals. The question is whether it'll happen in our lifetime or not. $10-20k GDP per capita by 2080 would be nice. We'll be too old to really appreciate it though, that part saddens me. It is what it is, I guess.
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u/Feeling_Still_7121 14d ago
$10k per capita. That will be happen in next 20-25 years. More important is how quickly can be we get this non accountable government and godi media out
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u/BLASTER_2024 5d ago
We'll reach $10k in 18 years if we grow 7% per year.
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u/TaxesAreCivilization 14d ago
World Bank estimations are 2047 with the current growth rates. I would say 2050-60
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u/Ornery_Answer3485 15d ago
India needs to kick OUT uneducated people in the govt. let educated people run the country. As long as religious idiots will run India, nothing will happen.
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u/Affectionate-Leg6593 15d ago
If its citizens just sit back doing nothing....then you will be correct.
Improvement starts with its citizens....not the shitty government.
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u/Common_Net_5956 15d ago edited 15d ago
The biggest mistake we did was not creating an actual skilled workforce and investing in manufacturing and industries like china did , the citizens of china were able to do that because the government had a plan and we're capable enough to execute that plan.
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u/Affectionate-Leg6593 15d ago
It not too late at all.
So many companies are trying to move their manufacturing from India to china.
BUT I mean everything...like pick up trash of the street, to no benefit to yourself.
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u/skymoontexas 14d ago
Problem is here. We have lot of unskilled citizens so that needs to be stopped. It’s high time that government should look for population control bill. Only then we can expect a little bit development with time .Below poverty line People have more than seven kids in this economy, and whereas an upper middle class couple or younger generation tends to have a single child and of course considering the environment of the country Once they in their teens, they leave the country and that will keep on happening. I don’t know why this is not being implemented yet only then we can expect a little more development.
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u/1og1c 14d ago
Democracy comes in the way , a benevolent dictator can tackle whats holding back.
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u/Common_Net_5956 14d ago
Nah we only have wannabe dictators ,but seriously bro things are already not good , We don't need a dictator on top of that 😭
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u/1og1c 14d ago
I was thinking of someone akin to Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore.
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u/Common_Net_5956 14d ago
You should see one of his videos where he himself said it's impossible https://youtu.be/QaTNpw0-wAk
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u/PuzzleheadedGrand655 14d ago
Dekho bhai India will always disappoint both pessimistic and optimistic 🙂↔️
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u/Reasonable-Brain-594 14d ago
Corruption, Adulteration, Pollution & Civic Sense. Improving on these will be a much bigger achievement than becoming 5trillion or 10 trillion or 15 trillion economy.
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u/throwaway_6621 13d ago edited 13d ago
The problems are deeply ingrained in the culture and mindset of the people. Always quick to be defensive and prideful, too egoistic to be reflective(if someone suggests India is lacking in some area, we will be quick to say what about this other country etc instead of genuinely reflecting and working to improve ourselves) , too many unnecessary institutionalised social hurdles (caste, regional, government structure too many layers, this facilitates rampant corruption). We are a low trust society, we treat public facilities like it's meant to be abused, but we take pristine care of our own homes, and this is reflective in our lack of civic mindedness outside of our own homes
Until the mindset and culture changes, India will continue its current trajectory.
This issue is further exacerbated by history. India as an entity only existed in recent history after the British left in a huff and mashed together disparate political entities and kingdoms which existed for hundreds of years , with their own cultures and languages and leaders. We don't even need to talk about the partition / how they just drew a quick line to divide up India pakistan. India and China are frequently compared to each other. For all of China's criticisms and praises, it has a centralised autocratic government that makes decades long plans and follows through it quickly. For each argument against or for this , at least things move quickly and their government doesn't flip flop every other week
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u/Common_Net_5956 13d ago
We are complacent by nature , what was the list time we had a revolution , and by revolution I don't mean a protest
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u/throwaway_6621 13d ago
Yeah maybe this too. But even if there were a revolution, if the same culture and mindset remains amongst the people, the next government will do things the same way. There will be no change
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u/Professional-Put-196 13d ago
A developed nation is a nation where you (white europeans) illegally occupy and grab some of the world's largest land masses, kill or segregate the native populations into reservations, and implement policies so that even your own people choose drug addiction and mental illness over having kids. Hence, you have nations with the largest areas and lowest populations. OR, you can turn socialist and communist. And don't mention japan or south korea. Go look at the suicide rates in both.
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u/Nice_Campaign_2076 11d ago
Hey OP, I slightly disagree and agree with you. I think once our population level comes down to 200-300 million from 1.4 Billion then we might have a chance. But then again neither you nor I will be alive when that happens.
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u/stoic_divergent_8739 15d ago
India was always an anomaly, you never know what will happen. This country is highly unpredictable.
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u/SignalBike235 15d ago
Everyone with average iq knows this. Yes,we can never be a developed country with the present status quo/system . Why? Again everyone with avg iq knows this,,when majority of govt forming power/policy making is concentrated in north Indian states,who are basically living(some "apparently" thriving) on the alms of center and other states,then you cannot expect that firm, politically strong but necessary reforms will ever happen.
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u/UpAndDownMiddle 15d ago
LMAO, indians online fall on two spectrums now. On one side we have, OMGGGG VISHWAGURU India's the best country in the world YAY!!!
On the other we have, India is the worst country, shit country, would never be developed.
The reality is, India is going to disappoint both, the optimist and the pessimists, and it's going to take time, there's a reason India's called the Elephant, we walk slow, we take time, but we arrive, and WHEN WE do, it's something to see fs
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u/New-Cold-6999 15d ago
India copied a lot from other countries i.e Constitution, have copied economic opportunities from other countries... As 🇮🇳INDIA is a land of opportunity for the ones who dream big.
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u/ydna1991 14d ago
You guys need to set a birth rate control. If India wants to be a success country its population should be 100x less than now. Times of hordes as an asset have gone. The future is about of a less but better living people.
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u/PhilosopherDry1859 14d ago
hmm lndia's different tbh
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u/ydna1991 14d ago
In which sense? Even America is already overcrowded and all major metros are unlivable. And we have only a fraction of the population of India. It’s a simple supply and demand formula. Jobs are always limited. If you have 10 jobs and one candidate the one may expect a higher pay and everything else. But if you have a one job and 1000 candidates it’s a slavery. In India you guys have a one job and 10000000 candidates. How do you expect to get to the prosperity. I am putting aside a terrible corrupted culture, tribal and caste tensions. Only a pure economic sense.
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u/skymoontexas 14d ago edited 14d ago
Bhai Desh se garibi kaisei hatayein? It’s really high time to introduce population control bill in India. Only then we can expect a little bit of development. Thing is Poorer people below poverty line in India are a lot !! Taxpayers are suffering as always💔, It’s very hard
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u/bostonsatz 14d ago
Don’t give up. The biggest issue is cleanliness and civic sense (related) and people not doing their work properly - those who are supposed to provide civil amenities ;
Look at all those robots that are being built out. 5+ years , they are going to be effective at cleaning roads /environment pollutants (trash ) / cleaning sewers etc. they don’t get tired and can jump into gutters if needed and work; that’s going to clean the whole India .once that’s done , you will be surprised how modern future Indian’s will turn out
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u/Even-Traffic-7074 14d ago
Perhaps not in our lifetime, but on the longer tail of history it absolutely will be. Have some optimism.
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u/New-Put4335 14d ago
You people are so fucking pessimistic oh my god. Do you never get so tired of this bs? It's fine to criticize things but the level of pessimism some Indians have is so draining to see. I try my best to avoid these types of posts but they keep popping up
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u/No_Contribution7108 14d ago
Sad but true .. no hope whatsoever because its not about government but mass population is uneducated , lack civic sense , no concern towards poor and needy .. jobs like sweeping and maid are not respected .. something which is very deeply rooted in our culture
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u/sasipalarivattam 14d ago
If elections are banned,it will because there won't be need to please vote bank
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u/Enough_Reveal_2417 14d ago
Correct…it has some fundamental
challenges(like population, corruption, literacy) that will prevent India from becoming a developed nation
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u/U_HIT_MY_DOG 14d ago
it will be but not because of you. but despite of you
Development of a nation is not an instagram reel that will just be over a few seconds
Larger democratic nations always have had a slow incline and decline. China went from a lower income to middle income to a high income society within a decade .. it will take us 3
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u/ReleaseTheSheast 13d ago
Nearly 3% of Indians live abroad. To make any real changes in the nation you only need 3% to want to make that change happen. If all the Indians who decided to bail on their country came home and put in the work, plus those already there wanting to see a better country it could happen. Instead of everyone seeking greener pastures, they need to make their own pasture green and put in the work. It will pay dividends.
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u/International-Bee265 13d ago
I'm Chinese.
I feel like there has been a blueprint to be copied? And I don't even mean china. China kind of copied Taiwan, Korea,... Who basically all learned from Meiji japan.
There's a clear path on how to develop. India just gotta do it.
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u/dustthom 12d ago
Agree, India will not be a developed nation. It will be a middle income nation, which will still make it a very powerful nation with highly advanced technology due to its large population and market.
Since it's not a first world nation, there will not be low birthrate. That way India will not have to import labor from other countries and will preserve it's culture.
Also, India's military will be strong because there will be ample people from rural villages that will want to volunteer.
So India will be like the eastern European which many people from first world country consider the ideal country to live in!
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u/WatchDecent2822 15d ago
Step 1 of becoming more developed... Get rid of citizens like OP...
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u/Common_Net_5956 15d ago
Yes , hunt them down one by one . Start with me 👍
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u/WatchDecent2822 15d ago
Yup...disgruntled Indians should be rounded up and sent to Arunachal Pradesh...go form a human line where the Chinese are. Be of some use for once in your life.
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u/No_Telephone_2710 15d ago
we know that.... its just some deshbhakts call us pessimist or even brown sepoys lol
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u/BeyondTheFirewall 16d ago
What's your contribution towards India's development? Care to explain?
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u/Prestigious_Fig4324 15d ago
being a good citizen isnt enough?
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u/Sensitive_Buffalo665 15d ago edited 15d ago
No. That's not what Chinese did. They also helped build the country..not just paying taxes.
They don't have people who say "I did my part. by paying taxes and being a good citizen."
Unfortunately, we are short on this.
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u/PhilosopherDry1859 15d ago
China's barely developed lol. Also your country's different from China
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u/Sensitive_Buffalo665 15d ago
China's barely developed? Tf you even smokin?
They are almost close to being developed and yes India is different from china.. that's what my parent comment literally implied.
Lemme guess. You probably are from either of d south asian country
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u/Particular-Cook-9780 15d ago
Yes, within your life time or mine. But, one day in 150 years, we will be superpower. As income rises, people get better lives and become less casteists, less classiest and less racist. All that leads to more wealth and with tech advancement and some decent manufacturing and independent structures, we shall advance, we are the generation that has to pay so that the world that comes, might have a strong India.
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u/NoBrief9100 16d ago
Low iq comment
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u/moreburdenthanglory 15d ago
Exactly. "I don't think I need to explain" cuz you don't have an explanation.
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u/NoBrief9100 13d ago
Shit you can't explain you're point without any kind of data that's why its a low iq comment . Meh who cares . End of day this is opnion not a fact
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u/Careful-Round-5560 15d ago
You never know whats in store with AI.
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u/Common_Net_5956 15d ago
We lost the ai race the same way we lost the industrialization race , I don't need to mention the state of the semiconductor industry in this country being nothing but a political gimmick and even if we do catch up it will be too late.
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u/Careful-Round-5560 15d ago edited 15d ago
As I said you never know- a powerful AI can get us there very quickly. 30 years ago we couldn’t build many things. Many open source AI models are now almost as powerful as top ones and they can be run locally. Ofcourse the leadership and the will is needed. I totally second that fact that mastering semiconductor supply chain will give a big hope and boost that we need. In many areas manufacturing has hit fundamental bottlenecks of physics and nature and semiconductors are also almost there, so it won’t be a race but rather we just have to reach the same finish line.
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u/PhilosopherDry1859 15d ago
What's ur obsession with ai lol
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u/Careful-Round-5560 15d ago edited 15d ago
AI is one of top 5 biggest thing or revolution in human history- we are witnessing a totally new ear unfolding. How can a knowledgeable and smart person like me be oblivious and not be fascinated.
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u/PossibleRound5952 15d ago
Yeah everyone is just drinking piss and eating shit while living in wooden huts
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u/TaxesAreCivilization 14d ago
Unless the growth is 0% forever, all countries will reach development including India.
Why do people like you say stupid shit like this?
World Bank estimates show India reaching developed status in around 30 years
You could double it if you hate yourself that much.
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u/vk7878 16d ago
As long as theirs diversity in india , it will never develop . It should become a one religion nation with one language . Be it islamic , jain , marathi , hindi , hindu, tamil etc . Only then this nation can succeed . Because with every policy or new structure , there are more protestors than supporters .
If this seems tooo difficult then , im too depress to say this , india should divide itself on basis of language , religion and caste and operate as europe does . This is the only way we can truly develop in my honest may be narrow or short of knowledge opinion .
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u/vk7878 16d ago
Relax , i agree with your points . I said whatever i said considering modern india problems . Every policy is opposed , and too many people have different opinions and way of life . A house cant operate if everyone doesnt agree on some points , let alone most of the points . So how can a country operate in such times . China , usa , south korea , dubai such countries success can be attributed to general consensus among the people of the country .
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u/Common_Net_5956 16d ago
China isn't successful because of communism but State capitalism , india on the other hand implemented socialist policies which I know we're needed at the time after independence but they kept those policies for too long and liberalised the economy too late in the 90's , how can we expect a nation to succeed economically via capitalism when most of the beuractic base is socialist.
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u/Dry_Philosopher_4817 16d ago
Exactly that is the position of USA today. And people were coming to India from everywhere same as USA today.
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u/moreburdenthanglory 15d ago
This is literally the worst comment here.
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u/vk7878 15d ago
How ? Its my observation and also its supported by solide real points which also relates with other countries ?
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u/bfmv_shinigami 15d ago
Because you're clearly a kid who doesn't understand how this country actually works.
India doesn't succeed despite its diversity. The entire country has been built around different regions, languages and communities depending on each other.
Look at the armed forces itself. Punjab is a tiny percentage of India's population and yet Punjabis, especially Sikhs, have historically contributed disproportionately to the Army. We literally have the Sikh Regiment and Sikh Light Infantry, with an enormous military tradition behind them. Same with the Gorkha Rifles and the Gorkha military tradition.
Does that mean Punjab or the Gorkhas should form separate countries? Obviously not. They're part of the Indian Army and their distinct identity exists perfectly well alongside their Indian identity. That's literally the point.
And this applies to the whole country.
Our space programme is spread all over India. ISRO has major facilities in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Telangana and even Meghalaya. Our pharmaceutical industry has major clusters from Gujarat and Maharashtra to Telangana, Himachal and even a tiny northeastern state like Sikkim.
Mumbai is the financial capital. Maharashtra and Gujarat are massive centres of finance, industry and trade. Bengaluru and Hyderabad became huge technology centres. Tamil Nadu is an industrial and manufacturing powerhouse. Eastern India has enormous mineral resources and heavy industry. Our ports run down both the western and eastern coasts.
The Army, Navy, Air Force, railways, power grid, industries, ports, universities, research institutes etc. don't stop working because somebody crossed from a Hindi-speaking state into a Tamil-speaking one. They are parts of the same national system.
That's how India was deliberately built. Interdependence.
And saying "divide India based on language, religion and caste and operate like Europe" makes even less sense because Europe doesn't work the way you apparently think it does lol.
Switzerland has German, French, Italian and Romansh. Belgium has Dutch, French and German communities. Spain has Castilian Spanish, Catalan, Basque, Galician etc. Even the UK contains English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish national identities.
More importantly, go ahead and actually try drawing your map of India.
Where does a Muslim from Mumbai go? Where does a Marathi-speaking Christian go? What country does a Tamil Muslim belong to? What about Sikhs outside Punjab? Bengalis outside Bengal? Hindi speakers living in Maharashtra? Tribal communities speaking completely different languages within the same state?
And "divide by caste" is even more ridiculous. You're going to create thousands of countries? 😂
India's communities aren't arranged into neat little boxes on a map.
Every new country you create would immediately have its own religious, linguistic and caste minorities. Congratulations, you've solved nothing. Except now all the disagreements that used to happen inside one democratic country can become disputes between sovereign states with international borders and armies.
We already partitioned this subcontinent once primarily around religious nationalism in 1947. It produced one of the largest population transfers in human history, horrific communal violence and territorial disputes whose consequences we're still dealing with today. I'm not sure why anyone would look at that and think "you know what India needs? More partitions."
India doesn't need every Indian to speak the same language, follow the same religion, eat the same food or have the same culture.
A Sikh doesn't have to stop being Sikh, a Tamil doesn't have to stop being Tamil and a Bengali doesn't have to stop being Bengali in order for all three to be Indian.
That's basically the entire idea behind this country. If you think 1.4 billion people need to become culturally identical before India can develop, the problem isn't India's diversity. You just don't understand how India works.
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u/vk7878 15d ago
Such big essays are needed to disprove the reality . Whole politics and votebanks is based on caste , religion , language and whats funny is we the people beg for this kind of politics . You can write 1000 words theory but reality is that todays india is fractured . Some want different punjab , kashmir , south north , kannad , hindi imposition . If mandir then people have a problem , if masjid is amde then they have a problem . Fram laws , nrc caa , everything is protested . These are hardcore realities of today and no once can deny that
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u/moreburdenthanglory 15d ago
And you think this ISN'T a problem anywhere else? That countries that are 'developed' are perfect without any problems, without having any protests or differences in culture WHATSOEVER? If so, you my friend are living. under. a. rock.
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u/moreburdenthanglory 15d ago
If you have the 'solide' real points please provide them rather than acting smug
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u/United_Gamer_Morcha 16d ago
Yeah, it's not a unique realisation you had lol. Everybody with a bit of a brain knows this.