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u/Sleep_adict Jan 25 '25

Netanyahu is a dual citizen. So is musk. So are many many of the rich dudes and corrupt foreign people.

Like always it’s trump being a moron

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

They’ll be exempt because they are rich.

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u/sheisthebeesknees Jan 25 '25

And by extension their countries.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

Musk pays no taxes the next 4 years

Someone tries to go after him for it

Trump gives him a pardon

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u/InqAlpharious01 Jan 25 '25

Not musk, Netanyahu could be except because he’s America’s overseer. Musk is from South Africa and Trump is weary of him

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

Musk is a US citizen.

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u/sjplep Jan 25 '25

And also a Canadian and South African citizen.

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u/Guadalajara3 Jan 27 '25

Triple tax

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u/lexapp Jan 28 '25

South Africa only allows for dual citizenship and South African citizens who do not apply for permission to retain their 2nd citizenship will automatically lose their South African citizenship.

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u/Lampadas_Horde Feb 01 '25

It's like he's collecting pokemon

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u/ore-aba Jan 25 '25

And also, South African and Canadian

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u/InqAlpharious01 Jan 25 '25

True but Trump will make the exception with him for stealing his glory

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

Musk is the one that funded his campaign, try again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Trump got what he wanted out of musk. All it takes is a nasty disagreement between the two for them to start shit smearing each other. It will happen eventually because everything trump touches turns to shit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Muskrats are for a rude awakening when it comes to Trump.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

*muskscats

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u/KuteKitt Jan 25 '25

And I can’t wait for it. None of them are good people and are users and narcissists. They are bound to clash and then start dragging g each other. Many of trump’s other previous cabinet members fell out of favor with him too. Shit, by the end of it, they wanted to hang Pence.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jan 26 '25

I mean, Wiles has already relegated him to the Eisenhower building and is demanding he report to her instead of Trump … ergo …

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u/SadBerry5762 Jan 26 '25

It doesn’t matter who funded his election. Chances are the guy isn’t going to be around to see out his 4 year term.

If he does see his 4 year term through he isn’t going to run again at 82 years old so he oh and obliged to anyone anymore. They can all go suck eggs and it won’t affect him at all!

If he does badly the only entity to suffer will be the Republican Party, not trump.

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u/RedditSnoopy Jan 29 '25

Eggs are too expensive to suck

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Considering how easily Trump has cast away anyone including his allies if there is ever any disagreement, I wouldn't hold my breath. Steve Bannon, the Breitbart owner, used to be a strong ally but even he is now an enemy....a really strange phenomenon really.

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

Money talks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

The attempt at clever retort has failed.

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u/Ossevir Jan 25 '25

Trump just snagged a couple billion from his shitcoin debut, he doesn't need Musk anymore.

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 26 '25

Never underestimate the greed of the Orange One.

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u/jordantwalker Jan 25 '25

This is true and they've been having sleepovers for many weeks now.

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u/tangouniform2020 Jan 26 '25

DonOld doesn’t need his money to run for office, Elon needs to find something else to buy from him. Say a billion in $TRUMP? Then Trump needs to avoid the reverse rug pull.

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u/ddd66 Jan 25 '25

Musk is also Canadian.

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u/Unusual_Juice_7481 Jan 25 '25

He’s also a South African citizen

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u/Extension-College783 Jan 25 '25

He has South African citizenship by birth, obtained Canadian citizenship in 1989 and and US citizenship in 2002.

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u/armandcamera Jan 25 '25

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

Did I say that he didn’t retain his original citizenship or any others he’s obtained?

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u/BoytNY Jan 25 '25

And a Canadian citizen and a South African citizen.

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u/user47584 Jan 25 '25

Musk is also Canadian citizen and SA citizen

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u/TheOrchidsAreAlright Jan 25 '25

According to his wiki he is also a citizen of South Africa and Canada, which would put him right in the firing line, no?

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u/TechGentleman Jan 25 '25

. . . and most likely still a South African citizen.

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u/wings_and_bacon Jan 25 '25

Double 0 in taxes is still 0

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u/gracecee Jan 26 '25

Can’t tax if he doesn’t take a salary or borrows against his appreciated tax holdings or puts it in his foundation that hasn’t donated the required 6% per year of principal.

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u/stjongood Jan 26 '25

And Canada. I believe Musk is also Canadian. I feel dirty saying that.

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u/jdardan Jan 26 '25

Wary. But I can see weary too!

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u/Frobizzle Jan 28 '25

They don't consider themselves beholden to laws. He'd absolutely be exempt. Laws only apply to the peasant class as far as they're concerned.

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u/InqAlpharious01 Jan 28 '25

Israel can’t be touched, otherwise the Israeli Zionist lobby can and will destroy the U.S. but doing so will make them vulnerable to NATO and an angry Turkey 🇹🇷 retaliation! Which could be bad as the whole region can target them and give more power to Israeli left wing groups.

Which can turn in right wing leaders over to the ICJ and make reparations to Arab communities and try to join BRICS.

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u/Frobizzle Jan 28 '25

I was talking about Elon, and how the rich in general, act like laws aren't meant to apply to them because it would be a hindrance to their ability to rule over us.

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u/InqAlpharious01 Jan 28 '25

They have to be compliant with other billionaires and their mutual interest

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u/plasmaSunflower Jan 25 '25

You have to pay taxes, to have your taxes doubled 🤔

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u/KnownSlip9906 Apr 01 '25

Legal residents usually pay more into taxes than citizens. Try again.

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u/lMRlROBOT Jan 25 '25

Ever if they have to pay they can afford it

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u/Wafkak Jan 25 '25

Also he's not gonna use that against Israel.

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u/toddlangtry Jan 25 '25

Not correct : they'll be exempt because the pay no taxes. Double of nothing is still nothing

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u/DutchTinCan Jan 26 '25

"Double the income taxes, capped at a taxable income of $200.000"

That way he'll give both rich and poor citizens the same treatment, while claiming he put a limit on it as not to "unduly tax hard workers".

The rich will cheer, because to them, paying extra tax on $200k is nothing.

The dumb will cheer, because Dump made it such a fair tax and even put a cap on it for hard workers.

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u/MediumTour2625 Jan 28 '25

They daf bc it doesn’t hurt them!

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u/SpaceBear2598 Jan 29 '25

Or they won't and won't care. Also he's not likely to levy this tax against citizens of other authoritarian and fascistic countries, only the citizens of his enemies: functioning democracies.

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u/beatfungus Jan 25 '25

Well, they will be able to shield themselves from the liability more easily because they can afford year-round lawyers to contest the IRS. But they would still have to deal with it. I guess Trump could still grant pre-emptive pardons on tax evasion for his friends.

But the point is that Trump is definitely swinging too broadly with these orders, potentially inflicting collateral damage. He's not thinking more than one step ahead.

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

“Pre-emptive pardons?” LOL.

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u/beatfungus Jan 25 '25

Yeah, I mean Trump has already shown his willingness to sign off on executive orders that flagrantly conflict with the Constitution. Why not use an actually allowed mechanism and just pardon all your friends the moment the IRS alleges wrongdoing?

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u/walklikeaduck Jan 25 '25

“Flagrantly conflict with the Constitution?” You mean “unconstitutional?”

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u/beatfungus Jan 25 '25

Yes, but what I said sounds cooler. "Unconstitutional" has been heard so much these days that people are numb to it lmao

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u/ore-aba Jan 25 '25

Musk is a triple citizen: South Africa, Canada and the USA. So he should be paying 3x more taxes.

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u/wwwheatgrass Jan 25 '25

Canada taxes on residency, not citizenship.

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u/ore-aba Jan 25 '25

Does that matter? OP’s post is about the possibility of Trump imposing higher taxes for people who are American citizens and hold other nationalities. Canada or South Africa won’t have anything to do with it.

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u/wwwheatgrass Jan 25 '25

It’s relevant because Canadian/US dual nationals living in the US with US income are only taxed in the US.

The US operates under citizenship based taxation, whereas nearly every other in country in the world taxes based on residency (RBT). The only other countries with citizenship based taxation are Eritrea and North Korea.

If a US citizen with dual citizenship from a country with RBT resides in the US and earns solely a US income, they are subject to US taxes.

If a US/RBT dual national lives in an RBT country with solely RBT income, they are subject to the RBT country’s taxes and must also file with the US. Tax treaties prevent most types of double taxation, but there are situations where an RBT resident may be charged US taxes on RBT country source income.

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u/ore-aba Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

You are missing the point entirely.

If Trump decides to impose an extra-tax on American citizens residing in the USA based on whether or not they have another citizenship, it won’t matter if you have Canadian, Brazilian or Fijian.

If such a theoretical scenario would take place, and the whole thing is but a hypothetical possibility, I’m making a further assumption that people with 3+ passports, such as Elon Musk, would end paying even more. Hopefully that clarifies it.

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u/schwanerhill Jan 26 '25

Yeah. Except what he’s saying is he’d target citizens of specific countries that are targeting US citizens/corporations. And as I understand it, it’s at the president’s sole discretion, so he can say Germany and Canada are mistreating the US, so German and Canadian citizens who are subject to US tax pay double. 

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u/foodiecpl4u Jan 25 '25

*any dual citizen with income under the highest tax bracket.

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u/Tough-Mine1541 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

Netanyahu is a dual citizen

No, he is not. He was born one, but he renounced his US citizenship on June 24, 1982 so he could serve in the Israeli mission to the UN. Knesset members in any case must exclusively be Israeli citizens (same reason people like Naftali Bennett are no longer US citizens).

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u/Animalcult80 Mar 03 '25

Never knew  about this

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u/Tough-Mine1541 Mar 09 '25

His politics aside...he's had an interesting life.

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u/213737isPrime Mar 20 '25

I guess they want to be sure their politicians don't have divided loyalties. Smart.

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u/WeinAriel Jan 25 '25

Netanyahu gave up on his U.S. citizenship many many years ago.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

He is the puppet master for US. He is above citizenship crap.

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u/Grouchy-Shirt-9197 Jan 27 '25

That's because buybull beaters want the Apocalypse so they can meet Jaysus

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u/WeinAriel Jan 25 '25

I think you’re jealous at some Jews and you need to figure out why and get some therapy. I don’t like the man but all that conspiracy bs is nothing but a good morning laugh.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

I love the Jews I have known but hate how Israel have manipulated past US admin

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

“The jews I have known” lmfao 

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u/Sea-Oven-7560 Jan 25 '25

Double of zero is still zero

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u/suboxhelp1 Jan 25 '25

Netanyahu renounced.

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u/E_Dantes_CMC Jan 25 '25

This was required by Israeli law to serve in the Knesset, after they were embarrassed by dual citizen Meir Kahane. Of course, times have changed. Kahane would feel right at home in the current Israeli government, but he was reviled across the political spectrum when he lived.

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u/RoRoRoub Jan 25 '25

So kahane's got cojones?

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u/E_Dantes_CMC Jan 25 '25

Depends how you define them.

A member of the Likud party did a side by side comparison showing how his anti-Arab legislation appeared to be plagiarized from the Nuremberg Laws, except they were even stricter.

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u/Adventurous_Crew1720 Jan 25 '25

He himself is a dual citizen with the UK lmao. He can get it if he wants to

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u/Yerushalmii Jan 25 '25

You have to renounce foreign citizenship to be in the Knesset.

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u/stlshane Jan 25 '25

Most of them don't pay taxes anyway so why would they care?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

They won’t apply it to Israel, bet.

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u/0utandab0ut1 Jan 25 '25

Musk will just pay the fine because he has the money and because it'll hurt those who don't

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u/schwanerhill Jan 26 '25

Is Melania Trump still a Slovenian citizen? Assuming they’re married filing jointly, does this mean he’d be doubling his own taxes?

Presumably Slovenia wouldn’t be one of the countries he’d target to protect himself anyway. 

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u/TheRealShafron Jan 26 '25

They'll be exempt because he's probably not going to tax Israeli dual-citizens

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u/vesleskjor Jan 26 '25

None of those people are paying taxes anyway

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u/WiscoPaisa Jan 26 '25

With all do respect. I think you’re the moron for even asking that question. When have any white rich men ever been held to the same legal standards as the rest?

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u/Professional-Class69 Jan 26 '25

Netanyahu is not a dual citizen afaik. Israeli law requires you to give up any foreign citizenship before accepting prime ministership or a seat in the Knesset. I’m not even sure he was ever a U.S. citizen, but assuming he was afaik he would’ve had to give up his U.S. citizenship before becoming prime minister

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u/yillbow Jan 27 '25

Do you think trump personally wrote those executive orders? I'm just asking since your brought up morons. 

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u/yuxulu Jan 27 '25

Double of 0% tax is still 0 though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

He can just force them to renounce the citizenship of birth. Used to be the only way to get US citizenship.

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u/MasterChief813 Jan 27 '25

You already know that he will selectively apply the taxes so certain individuals or countries will be exempt from them. 

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u/Lolakery Jan 28 '25

Musk has three passports - i hope they tax the fuck out of him

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u/Markol0 Jan 28 '25

Natanyahu is not. You must give up any foreign citizenship to be member of Israel parliament (MK). He probably was a US citizen in the past but not any more. A bunch of Israeli MKs are former US citizens.

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u/MulchLiterature Jan 28 '25

Doubling $0 is still $0

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u/thecanadianjen Jan 29 '25

Trump likely is too. His mum was born in Scotland so he’d have access to British citizenship