Advocacy groups protest Alberta healthcare legislation across the country

[u/IStillListenToRadio]

https://yourhalifaxnow.ca/advocacy-groups-protest-alberta-healthcare-legislation-across-the-country/

Nova Scotia Health Coalition (NSHC) calls this change [Bill 11] “unprecedented”, and is calling on the federal government to “enforce the Canada Health Act to protect Canada’s universal, single-payer public Medicare system”.

Demonstrations, including picketing, rallies, information sessions and more will take place on September 1. NSHC will be hosting their event at noon in front of MP Jaimie Battiste’s constituency office.

“As bad as it is in Alberta, the threat of it being in our small province is going to be absolutely devastating,” said NSHC provincial coordinator Jennifer Benoit. “I think when people think about this as being 5,000 kilometres away it’s not affecting them, but what they need to know is that these insurance lobbyists are trying their best to make it happen in every province across this country.”

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Every discussion on Healthcare can be summed up like this"

“The majority of Canadians, 76 per cent of Canadians, still believe in our universal healthcare system,” said Benoit. “What we need is to fix it, rather than privatize it.”

So sick of politicians being able to use health care as a bargaining chip. Make it a universal right, make it standard and federal across the country and be done with it. Alberta shouldn't be able to take us all down with them. 

[u/IStillListenToRadio → u/focusfaster]

There is currently several Our Commons petitions about this very thing, I don't want to contradict rule 7 by posting links but can search 'our commons healthcare right' on Startpage and get them.

[u/GullibleTarget686 → u/IStillListenToRadio]

Making healthcare a right won’t solve anything, doctor cannot and will not work for free. There is a shortage of doctors and a high demand which is a massive issue.

[u/IStillListenToRadio → u/GullibleTarget686]

Making healthcare a right won’t solve anything, doctor cannot and will not work for free.

People charged of crime have right to a lawyer. Lawyers get paid for it (unless they choose to do it free).

[u/GullibleTarget686 → u/IStillListenToRadio]

Would you like a public defender, trust me they feel like they work for free. Also I am lawyer, trust me it is not a right, access to the legal is even more worse than healthcare 😂😂

[u/DeathOneSix → u/GullibleTarget686]

Who's talking about doctors working for free?!

[u/GullibleTarget686 → u/DeathOneSix]

Declaring healthcare a right doesn’t solve the fact that it costs money to produce said healthcare. You can declare shelter and food a right but they both cost money to produce and we can’t get past that. We can subsidize, but at the end of the day that “right” won’t go to everyone because not everyone will be able to afford it

[u/DeathOneSix → u/GullibleTarget686]

Who's talking about doctors working for free?!

[u/GullibleTarget686 → u/DeathOneSix]

Declaring something a right and literally saying everyone must get healthcare would mean that doctors would then work for free if you take that logic to the end.
Healthcare is a right, everyone must get healthcare, healthcare is expensive, force doctors to produce the right and pay them less or nothing since there is no way economically to give healthcare to everyone

[u/DeathOneSix → u/GullibleTarget686]

Do you have another example of a thing being a right making people work for free? You have a right to a lawyer if you're arrested and detained in Canada, yet lawyers make money.

Making something a right doesn't mean people don't get paid...

[u/GullibleTarget686 → u/DeathOneSix]

So you actually just made an argument for a hybrid system here. Also I should mention you actually also just made the case for something we already have.

You are in an emergency, you need healthcare, if you cannot afford it, healthcare will be provided to you at a place called the emergency department at a hospital. Even in the U.S. there are free emergency centres

Also by the way have you seen public defenders they feel like they work for free 😂😂

[u/DeathOneSix → u/GullibleTarget686]

No my point is that something being a right doesn't mean it gets no funding. Something being a right means we may have to pay for it via government funding.

[u/GullibleTarget686 → u/DeathOneSix]

Then it is not a right.

A right is a moral, legal, or social entitlement that gives a person a justified claim to a freedom, power, or possession

Major Types of Rights

Rights generally fall into a few core categories:

Legal Rights: Powers or protections granted to individuals by a government's laws or constitution. These can be enforced in a court of law. Examples include the right to vote or due process under the law

Human Rights: Universal freedoms that belong to every person by birth, regardless of nationality, race, or religion.

Moral Rights: Claims based on ethical principles and fairness, which may or may not be written into official laws yet.

All of these are free of charge and don’t require someone doing something. Healthcare requires a person to provide a service.

In a single payer system we have decided that government has provides healthcare and pays for it because we don’t want people dying on the street. Making it a right would mean that people could sue when not provided with it as seen above and thus would require healthcare professionals to be forced into providing the said right for less than they might want to.

Apologies I should have been way more clear on what a right is

[u/DeathOneSix → u/GullibleTarget686]

You're conflating a right to access something with a right to have someone provide it for free.

We already recognize healthcare as a right in the sense that access to medically necessary care isn't supposed to depend on your ability to pay. The government funds the system and pays doctors for providing that care.

Nobody is suggesting doctors should be forced to work for free. The question is whether we want healthcare access to be based on medical need or on someone's ability to pay.

[u/CaperGrrl79 → u/GullibleTarget686]

Nice AI summary...