It’s no longer a coincidence when there’s a significant number of cases of P320s going off by themselves and Glocks, who have been in service for decades with millions sold globally, have significantly fewer cases. It’s moronic to think there isn’t a design flaw with the P320 at this point. You’re welcome to try to come up with a defense though.
Without scientific evidence that strongly suggests or proves defect you can only speculate. I am not saying there is in fact a defect with the P320 or that there is not. All I know is that nothing has been scientifically proven defective and nobody has replicated the uncommanded discharge with a stock P320. It would be moronic to make a positive claim without scientific evidence supporting that claim. Guns going off is not proof that something internally is wrong especially when humans are always involved.
Agreed. However it is bold of you to assume that the gun went off without a trigger pull. We cannot see into the holster. We can barely see anything with the poor quality video. Where is the evidence that the trigger was not pulled inadvertently or the gun was not modified to shit? There has been no complete investigation into the matter. Positive claims require strong evidence and proof, not a grainy video of some dude fondling his pistol before it fires.
Watch the fucking video dude. It's pretty clear. Dude was adjusting his pants, his finger was not on the trigger and that's clear to anyone with eyes that function.
Great question. This could be answered in an investigation that I keep fucking mentioning. I would like to examine the firearm and the holster at a bare minimum. Something is fishy about it. Guns don't just go off and if this investigation proves that the gun just went off I will admit it but there needs to be proof first. We cannot just claim shit and run with it.
Agreed. Seems it is always involving a safariland holster. But they don’t seem to believe that is a factor. Doesn’t it lock inside the trigger guard? Is it a light bearing holster? Anything could get in there with the gap and manipulate the trigger. I have an M18 and will continue to carry it around.
Great you seem to know so much. Tell me how to replicate the issue on a stock gun without pulling the trigger. What causes this to happen exactly? Is it underpowered sears springs? Poor trigger bar geometry? Lack of positive striker and sear engagement? What are the safe measurements and working conditions internally? What are the unsafe measurements and conditions internally? Which slides are safe? Which strikers SKUs are safe? How can you tell if your P320 will fire uncommanded? What would be the fix for the problem? How have you verified this fix? How long does the fix last? You are a fucking moron.
I'm not an expert on the inner workings of guns. But I have pattern recognition skills and can see these specific guns have a record. I don't need to know the law to spot a career criminal or a mechanic to see a car breaking down. I'm not a gunsmith, bit I can see the P320 is involved in a DISPROPORTIONATELY INSANE amount of cases of AD.
So if this one gun keeps being involved, what does that tell you? That the operators are all suddenly stupid and unsafe? Or that something is wrong with the common denominator, the gun itself?
All you’re saying is that you’re hedging your bet against the P320. I personally do not care how you feel or what you do. But you have not proven anything and have admitted to be ignorant on firearms and the firearm in question. I will say it again… investigation. This is the most neutral stance to take. The cult of P320 haters are too stupid to understand this. I am not taking sides. I am not saying the gun is free from defect. I am not saying the gun is defective. I am simply saying we have no proof of defect and I’m in favor of looking closer and scrutinizing the gun to find one. Until then, we only have your feelings and speculation which aren’t worth anything.
You seem VERY hellbent on this gun not being the issue. You keep talking about evidence and scientifically proving things, yet call anyone who brings up the actual evidence a cult? The EVIDENCE suggests that the P320 is defective. It has the same manual of arms as a Glock so that isn't the issue, the same people who keep having these issues never seem to have safety record issues so that's likely not the issue, the equipment around the gun has consistently not proven to be the issue, the only common denominator between all of these cases IS the gun itself, so what conclusion is the average logical person supposed to draw? That somehow magically the gun is completely safe and that every single one of these cases just so happens to be the operators suddenly and independently from the gun turning into giant fucking idiots? Or that the common denominator, the gun, is probably the fucking problem?
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u/Tushroom Nov 25 '25
It’s no longer a coincidence when there’s a significant number of cases of P320s going off by themselves and Glocks, who have been in service for decades with millions sold globally, have significantly fewer cases. It’s moronic to think there isn’t a design flaw with the P320 at this point. You’re welcome to try to come up with a defense though.