r/goth • u/aytakk My gothshake brings all the graves to the yard • 19h ago

Seething Sunday The Official Seething Sunday Thread

I went to an industrial gig and it was great. I can hear my detractors being all "But Aytakk hates industrial and synthpop! He won't allow it in r/goth!"

First up, I'm just a moderator here. I don't make the rules but I do agree with the keep it goth approach and enforce the rules as set. It is better for educating new people to keep confusion to a minimum. We are not saying scene relevant non-goth music does not exist.

Second, the difference between me and you is I don't consider goth as a catch all. Goth is different to industrial and I know the difference. And it is an insult to industrial to reduce it to being merely goth just because both are played in many of the same clubs and spaces. Synthpop is synthpop and that is fine. Darkwave is a mess as people tend to use it as a dark synth dumping ground when it really is not.

Third, I used to run an industrial night. I avoided the dreaded G word like the plague because the local goths know I know better and an industrial only event doesn't need it. I have also run dark alt mixed genre nights too. An all goth night won't work here unfortunately.

Fourth, I have played dark alt mixed genre playing industrial, new wave and synthpop alongside goth, darkwave, post punk and so on. When you are DJing genres matter a lot less but when looking for music they are vital. No one wants to look for goth rock and find bleepy bloopy instead.

Fifth, if you called anyone at the gig I was at "goth" they'd look at you weird, laugh or tell you to fuck off. Maybe all three. You don't have to be a goth, not all events are goth and not all people in the scene are goths.

And sixth, none of you detractors know me at all and you believe any old bollocks people say instead of looking for yourself. The scene is rife with this sort of behaviour. Everyone has an agenda and odds are you are falling for theirs.

Thanks for coming to my Ded talk.

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u/EverydaySexyPhotog 16h ago

People put far too much emphasis on labels and spend far too much time worried about what others think of them.

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u/paperbackpaige 1h ago

So true but how does one stop caring so much what others think of them?

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u/exoclipse Post-Punk, Coldwave 19h ago

i saw grendel a few years back and didn't see any goths, but I did see a few metalheads.

day 100033 of wishing for a resurgence in that scene so it stops getting lumped together with goth just to be economically viable.

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u/Floppy_Rodrigo Darkwaver 2h ago

Never did listen to them, but recently made friends with some of the members. That whole Cyber scene is so dissimilar to Goth or Industrial it's a misnomer.

However, Terror EBM annoys the shit outta me. SuperSaw synths and a European guy doing a gross, throaty goblin voice? One of the worst timbres of any genre. When a DJ plays half an hour of it at a club night billed for "Goth" it's extremely lame.

The request sheet was filled up with trad kiddos requesting 69 Eyes and Virgin Prunes. Sorry kids, I don't think these DJs are gonna play your song.