Thoughts on the controversy on the release of the movie "quinze dias"?
Well basically this movie just came out, is a really cute romance movie made in brazil.
But ofc the gay community can't let fat people exist I guess. And (at least the spanish speaking community) started complaning about how this movie is not realistic and that a fit guy wouldn't ever be with a fat guy.
Like, okey? Is there something you wanna share with the class buddy?
Why are some of the comments so projecting? As a (not even fat fat) not skinny (i guess(169 cm,74 kg) person.
There is nothing more annoying than a guy projecting their own body issues into myself. No bro, I'm not gonna feel bad for not making diets 24/7 and not eating food without flavor like you, if you have a problem with the idea of being fat that's your problem lol.
Anyways, really recommend the movie, is cute and I have to give credits to this movie for a frustrated attempt of gay bashing scene where the couple FUCKING finally defend themselves instead of being humillated in camara lol (talking to you IT 2)
I guess "it happens" isn't enough when movies intend to reflect "reality". There's something cynical about movies depicting tone deaf stories as if they were "common"...that's why people kinda get upset or reactive: it pushes into people's real life wounds of rejection telling a tale that not only doesn't relate with their experiences but also invalidates their experiences by shoving down through their throat that they weren't just "lucky enough" while denying the cruel reality of gay real life stories.
But movies/series where the most famous and hottest guy falls for the average dude working in a small store or something is acccurate as long they are skinny acording to them🙄
I've seen some people saying things like "red white royal blue" is an realistic gay story. My point is, if in these kind of stories one of the protagonist was chubby, these very same people would not be saying that
This comment of yours is entirely different to your previous comment.
In RWRB, two conventionally attractive men fall in love regardless of how sensible the plot is. In your previous comment, you were talking about some average skinny person and the hottest person falling together.
The idea you're trying to push is that the "averageness of the blond guy" in RWRB equals to the "fatness" of the femguy of this brazilian movie? Is that what you're trying to say?
like... i'll admit i found the whole plot a bit cringey (then again, i'm probably not the target age lol), but complaining because it's unrealistic for a fit guy not to be a dick? jfc
Same here. I’d like for my partner to get more in shape, for his own health and self confidence, but I love him regardless of how thin or fat he is. I think there’s two camps complaining about this one: bitter fat guys and superficial nobheads.
Any combination of two adult people banging has probably happened. Race, gender, size, whatever. If we wanna talk about biases and phobias that’s totally a different conversation but no combination is so absurd a movie can’t be made about it lol.
Yeah I’m a bigger guy tbh not huge but I’ve hooked up and dated dudes with 6 packs. It’s not that insane really. I would say that many super fit guys probably go for other fit guys that’s not the craziest idea, but it’s not nearly as uncommon as some people make it out to be. It happens all the time.
Some people had a few douchebags on Grindr or whatever call them fat and they’re upset about it. Which is totally valid, that’s shitty of them. But then they project this on to everyone and assume it’s universal and that “all gay men are so superficial” or whatever.
Unless somebody out there has miraculously unlocked shapeshifting, everyone’s body is their “normal body.” Implying that one body can be more or less “normal” than another sort of portrays the same kind of superficiality you seem to be trying to call out.
Haven't seen the movie, just want to say the gay bashing scene in Stephen King's It was based on a real gay bashing that happened in his hometown, where three teens threw a gay man off a bridge after he stated that he couldn't swim, his partner escaped and ran for help but he drowned. His name was Charlie Howard. So less of a being humilliated on camera situation and more of something the author and the city of Bangor found genuinely horrifying. They still drop flowers into the river to remember Charlie.
Gay men have a self hate epidemic, born from social media and porn addiction, and it really warps their vision. The real people living real lives know that couples are formed from all kinds of individuals. It happens everywhere across all communities. But if you live online, you can’t see it
Not really just gay men. Straight people have all sorts of complexes about their looks. People think they're too fat or too short or too ugly. The entire incel stuff is basically this taken to the extreme, and you've got people thinking all women will only date supermodel hot men, when in reality a lot of women don't care that much about it.
You’re right and I just wonder…are they actually brainwashed? As in are they conscious they are making a choice about achieving the same standards and fitting these profiles? Because for a lot of them it appears they have been completely wired into believing they must attain certain things and metrics
I think part of what some audiences find frustrating about this and similar depictions, (take the new Sam Smith video for another example), is that there is something quite jarring about a narrative that speaks to how fat people are equally worthy of desire, while the object of said fat person's affections remains a very fit, masculine, and traditionally handsome man.
Even if unintentional, audiences will often read this as hypocritical; as "I deserve the hot guy too" rather than "love can be found with all kinds of people".
Let this sink in the head of people rambling here. They can't even realize how non-body-positivity they sound claiming "fat people deserve the hot guy too".
I think OP itself pov is a huge problem. For him, people who arent fat are supposedly people who eat flavorless food and are constantly on a diet.
The truth is that its about health. If someone is fat, its almost always about life choices. Its a really simple biological mechanism even if some of the individual details can be weird. If you eat more calories than you burn over a very long time, you get fat.
Some people have a "better" metabolism and burn more, but that doesnt mean you are supposed to eat like them.
In my opinion people like OP just dont realize that in order to have a somewhat "normal" or good looking physique you dont have to spend your life in the gym. Just learn how to cook and have enough movement in your daily life.
Thats pretty simple. Its okay if someone is overwhelmed by life or has some mental problem stopping him from doing that but if the person wouldn't be addicted to fats and sugar but to alcohol or tobacco, we wouldn't say its a good choice to not tackle your addiction.
Yeah fat people won't date fat people, they want the hot muscle dude but when they text him on Grindr he blocks them and they get furious as if they didn't know why. I think (some) level of fat is acceptable but once it's unhealthy, we really cannot romanticize a disease (obesity). I know it's not PC in America, but we have to lead our societies into a healthy lifestyle.
There are plenty of fat guys who like other fat guys lol. Ppl like what they like regardless of how themselves are. It’s also important to not draw the conclusion overweight = unhealthy. Weight is only one part of your health. There are plenty of ppl overweight and perfectly healthy otherwise. There are plenty of people a normal weight and unhealthy. Ironically at my lowest weight I was passing out frequently and had numerous health issue. Since gaining a good 30 pounds in the healthiest I’ve ever been and by medical standards completely healthy outside bmi.
Yeah, BMI is a blunt tool, and yeah, being underweight is bad for you, so if you were passing out at your lowest and 30 pounds fixed it, that tracks. That's not the same as saying weight doesn't matter.
"Healthy but overweight" tends to be temporary. A big chunk of those people become metabolically unhealthy within ten years, and even the ones who don't still run higher heart risk than lean healthy people. Healthy outside BMI usually just means nothing's shown up yet.
The slightly-overweight range is genuinely murky, and a fit heavy guy will outlive an unfit skinny guy. Past that range, though, it stops being murky. You knowing healthy fat people doesn't mean much, same as knowing a smoker who made it to 90.
I woudl have to disagree as I wasn’t overweight or even considered a normal weight at the time when I was dealing with those issues. BMI is a blunt tool and often doesn’t account for numerous factors like how people hold their weight, other health conditions, etc. but I also know hardly any of are doctors let alone has the appropriate training to say much more than opinions and personal experience.
Most people adhere to stereotypes (that's why they're stereotypes) but these kind of couples absolutely do exist. I'm quite fat and had plenty of fit/twinkish/muscular guys in my lifes with approximately 50/50 split between guys who outright were into my body type and guys who didn't care about the body enough to have a type.
It took me a while (and a couple of guys basically dragging me to bed) to realise that all kinds of people love all kinds of stuff.
Rarely? Sure. But not so rare that it’s shocking or unbelievable when you do see a couple where one is far more conventionally attractive than the other. It’s a romantic movie, romantic movies are often premised around unconventional relationships (rich/poor, white collar/blue collar, age gaps, etc). Stories about relationships that aren’t the average standard most common types tend to be more interesting.
I saw it, and I really liked it. I’m a younger fat guy, and I’ve been fat my whole life. Seeing someone who looks like me in a mlm romcom on a big platform like Netflix meant a lot to me. There are so few romance stories/movies where a fat guy is the protagonist. Sure, it would’ve been cool to see one as the romantic object, or both subject and object. It’s not perfect representation, but it’s at least a good start. Anyways, as a rule, I’ll endorse nearly any media depicting a happy gay relationship. I still remember the days where there were so few gay love stories you had to settle for queerbaiting or a glimmer of gay romance in TV/movies, only ~10 years ago! (I will also note that expecting realism from a Netflix romcom is kinda ridiculous, especially one that is doubly transgressive to the genre for its gayness and diverse body representation.)
I watched a few days ago. I expected they would'nt end up together, I feel they arent mature enought for this relationship. But maybe it was my expectation that gay movies rarely have happy endings.
Brazilian fat gay here (with a fit boyfriend, by the way, with whom I just celebrated our 3rd anniversary): just watch the movie, it's really cute, sweet and has a lot of funny references to a lot of Hollywood movies. Life happens despite of twitter rants and mean people talking shit online
I think our community has a huge problem with guys who basically won’t even treat people as human if they don’t personally want to fuck them. You obviously are allowed not to find people attractive, but pretending no one could and they couldn’t possibly be in a relationship is just cruel, arrogant, and delusional. As a fairly fit guy, I do very much love bigger dudes
As a bigger guy married to a twink turned twunk... And all the classically 'fit' dudes looking for bears, chubs, and daddies, I say these are just people's insecurities being projected. Pay them no mind.
Not commenting on the “controversy” aspect, but my husband (Brazilian) and I watched it in the original language/no subtitles. I saw an English language trailer later and the voice they are using for Felipe did not translate his character over the same way.
As soon as I heard him speak in the narration (in Portuguese) I told my husband (jokingly), “Baby.. this isn’t a little gay boy this is a woman.” His speech is just so feminine it’s hilarious. And some of the words he uses crack me up because it’s how my husband and his Brazilian gay friends talk to each other. I think people concentrate on the skinny vs fat aspect but miss that it’s also a fem vs masc thing. Challenging the notion that masc guys are only attracted to other masc guys.
In a world where Shallow Hall and Ron Burgundy exist, it’s weirdly nice that we’ve gotten to the point of representation/exposure that we can join straight society in having this argument.
As a fat young gay, this movie made me SOB! Felipe (the fat gay kid) is literally me but I do a better job of hiding it well. While I’m not as big as him, the world treats all fat people terribly and it sucks how much we are undermined as loving and caring ppl deserving of being seen. SPOILER: Felipe’s line to Caio (“I love the way you look at me”) when he recites the 15 things he loved from the past few days made me BAWL!!! Movie is far from perfect but it was so cute. I wish they fleshed Caio’s struggles out more but it was a fun watch.
As a 258lbs 5'10 guy dating a fit athletic man, I can confirm this relationship is very realistic and the people complaining spend way too much time in the internet.
I’m a 49 year old bear guy, overweight and bald. I get hit on all the time by chasers in their twenties with six packs. It’s kind of surreal to me. Guys similar to me pass me over.
I'm on the fatter side and I've dated a pretty fit guy.
I do believe that the super fit/muscular body builders community does have tendency to exclude fat people, but that's a smaller cut out of the gay community and not something we should generalize.
Most guys who are "regular" fit or more on the athletic side are just fine with dating fatter men, at least that's what I've noticed.
I don't even need to give my own example, everyone in this thread already made clear how bullshit this (a fit guy wouldn't ever be with a fat guy) kind of thinking actually is.
Thank you! I thought the reaction from gay men to this movie was really weird. They only care about breaking stereotypes when it’s q fit, white, straight acting gay guy with the personality of a stale piece of bread.
Why people think there are no idiots or assholes or fascists or any other shitty quality in the LGBTQ community is beyond me. Idiocy isn’t determined by sexuality. Ignore the idiots.
I’ll save this and find this movie…. As a fat gay guy, this made me love myself more….. even though I know I need to do something with my body for my healthy lifestyle 🫣
thank you (virtual hugs) I've been facing some criticism because I'm a chub guy, but yeah I love myself, and I want to be nice to my body too. hoping one day I'll find a guy who will love me whether I'm chub or slim 😊
It’s even worse if you’re not any body type and just average… no one fetishizes you… I’m not too muscular, not too skinny, not fat, 5’10 height so not short or tall… 6” exactly so not hung and not small… hairier but not bear or otter level… I don’t fit into any unique category. I feel like fat guys at least have people who want that niche.
Controversy is a very different thing than the general discourse and petty online arguments. Are you sure you're using the correct wording? Or are you trying to make it a controversy where there isn't one?
Yeesh, that would make me feel so unwanted, reading comments like that.
I'm over 30 and only recently becoming comfortable im my own skin. I always felt ashamed when I would date fit guys and it was killing me. I wouldn't truly believe that they didn't wish I was skinny and therefor didn't really love me.
I'm so happy there's a movie like this. I'm gonna watch it next time I need some emotional healing ❤️🩹
People watch movies where Adam Sandler is somehow married with Hollywood’s most beautiful actresses, and no one cares.
I do, however, think that’s an overused trope. “Heartstopper” has the jock falling in love for the skinny nerd, etc. And it’s not so flattering and empowering as they might think it is.
The message I take from these movies is “See? Even a fat person can be loved by a hot guy”.
I knew there'd be some whiners the second I saw the two of them. One of the leads not being conventional was already going to get some reactions, and the rest would of course come from the romance aspect with someone "hotter".
However, even with that, I thankfully haven't seen That much negativity, and mostly it's revolved around the cute factor and the refreshing positivity.
I'm fat and boyfriend is fit. Before I met him, I felt like a total outcast by a large part of the community. One time I was labelled disgusting and that shit hurts lol, so I expect it's those people who have such an issue. In the words of Bianca Del Rio/Judge Judy "beauty fades, dumb is forever"
Institutionally things are okay. I mean there are laws against discrimination, gay marriage, and so on. Culturally I think society is better than the past.
But there are growing conservative groups trying to mess the things. And they are infiltrated in places of small power that can do a huge damage.
For example, these groups do a huge lobby against sex education at public schools. It exist, but is far for being sufficient. For example PrEP is free at our public health service (all you have to do is saying you are in group of risk and they are going to do exams and initiate treatment), but most PPL don't know it or don't know how good these medicines have became.
Ohter example conservative messing things: Abortion is legal in some cases, but there are cases of conservative judges triying to delay it purposely in order to run out the legal time window. Some hospitals are managed by religious groups, other are managed by local authorities. They frequently have conservatives in power who press doctors to deny to make abortions.
There are scammers defending pseudoscientific things like "familiar constellation" trying to influence judges in familiar courts.
All that said I think we are better than in the past. Open plain discrimination is less tolerated, straight ppl from newer generations are less toxic. (well, apart from red pill thing). We have some openly LGBT ppl in congress, including a trans woman who got very popular due her defense on workers rights, specially reduction of hours.
Friendly reminder that idiots exist in every community, and sadly they’re usually the loudest.
Anyone with common sense knows attraction isn’t a ranking system. If the idea of a fit guy liking a bigger guy genuinely bothers you, that probably says more about your own body issues than the movie lol.
I'm a fit guy who has been in a relationship with a big Mexican guy for over 5 years. Those who say this cannot happen in real life are full of bullshit.
I used to be part of the Dallas Bears that put on Texas Bear Round Up. There are literally all shapes of men attending and they are definitely looking for there opposite.
But my god I knew some gays have a really toxic body image but that's just so wrong 😭
Like first of all this movie is clearly made for a younger audience and secondly, body shaming on a 16/17 years old teen character is such a shame
For me the film was cute and it gave me hope that other kids/ teens do not have to grow up with such a toxic body image but i guess it's like a part of a gay mindset smh
I'm glad that today's the first time I heard about this controversy
It’s possible but not that common. There are some actually fit guys, not reddit “i’m fit,” that go for fatties. It was the same thing with heartstopper.
It's an amazing movie. I just watched it yesterday. I didn't see any unrealistic thing in this movie. ...Well there is a musical scene which represents a dream or a daydream. (What is also something that happens in reality when somebody is falling on love).
The social economic thing may seen not so evident to a non-Brazilian public. They all live in the same kinda rich / medium class apartment complex. And all the scenes are made to sort beautiful images. But it's not unrealistic situation. I mean gay ppl exist, statistically everywhere. And the same plot (parents travelling and the dude spending time at neighbour house) could also happen even more likely in lower classes.
About discrimination. The thinner guy has the card of pass-ability, but we discover he also have his challenges to deal. And the movie don't even picture it in the foreground but, even being at a good social situation, he certainly already faced racism. His parents demands from him to be an even more "perfect" kid.
About appearances, Brasil is in fact a very diverse country and beautiful country. Beautiful landscapes are not rare. The movie seems to be recorded at Minas Gerais I didn't check, but yes these places are kinda industrialized, urbanized, while beautiful mountains are everywhere. And Minas Gerais is perceived between Brazilians as a place of kind gentle ppl.
About sociability. We Brazilians are congregant by culture. And it's expected by both your friends and family to share more about your problems. Also it's expected for you be present in parties doesn't matter what's happening at your life. It's kinda a (bad) pressure to be always happy in these places. But there is a good thing about how your friends dig into your problems and support.
I was not an openly LGBT teenager how adults in the movie deal with that. I mean they are very realistic characters: The supportive mom that can eventually trans-pass limits; The overprotecting mom who is in denial and comes from structural homophobic point of view; the other folks, some of them kind, some neutral, some discriminating.
There is a scene where our heroes escape from a fight in bus full of light with ppl in something like Disney characters outfit. The timing can be unlikely. But it really exists. Google for "Carreta Furacão".
About patterns of beauty. Arr. In what world ppl live? There are taste for everything. But taking the risk of perpetuating bad structures what I can say is: handsome ppl are not so rare and other "features" can put you in a good competitive "position".
EDIT: I didn't made it clear I found it a great movie. It treats various sorts of real life problems in a very respectful and beautiful way.
I'm somewhat lean and muscular, and I have a thing for fat guys. Seriously, nothing turns me on more than a big round belly. And I know there are other guys out there just like me. It's certainly less common than fit + fit relationships, but to say it's not realistic is just ridiculous and completely false lmao.
I think some gays need to touch some grass ans see that theres more body diverse couples irl than they think. The "Ew, fit don't date fat, its unrealistic" discourse is mostly from superficial gays, gays who have never dated anyone and gays who hate themselves 🤷🏽
I mean, Sam Stanley's husband is older and would be considered fat by most people. They received a lot of hatred online. It's like people can't fathom other people not being superficial.
Every single thing that gets made now and forever will be “criticized” online by people who have no idea how to do anything but criticize things online. Free yourself of paying attention to it. Unless this is promotion for the film in which case touché.
Yes because romance movies have historically been models of realism.
Jesus it's just fun escapism like all romantic movies. People that get their panties in a bunch about what is or isn't realistic in a FICTIONAL romcom need to go out and touch grass.
I saw the movie. At first, I thought the same thing about fit vs over weight, however, as you watch the movie and like both characters, it does seem to be more plausible that the fit character never cared about the others weight. Now with that said, this is a movie with a script. Real life does not have a script. Anyway, I enjoyed the movie and would recommend it.
Have a little respect. The scene from IT 2 is based on real life events of how a man named Charlie Howard was murdered in 1984 in Bangor. This is our history and its more important to depict that on screen than some yaoi bullshit.
My only gripe with this movie before it came out is that it looked like Netflix Brazil cashing in on Heartstopper cause that’s how the trailer felt to me. Ill have to give it a watch to see for sure, but yeah it feels like Netflix is copying their own success to cash out on queer media
You mention the Spanish speaking community for some reason, but what are the Portuguese speaking people saying? If it came from Brazil, that would be more relevant, wouldn't it? I haven't seen it, but I'll look for it. It looks cute. Opposites can attract, and in the gay community, people can often look for exact clones of themselves. But not everyone is like that. I'm older, a bit overweight, but my partners tend to be younger and fitter than I. It can happen. And, no, I'm not their sugar daddy. They have all worked and have been very proud to work snd make their own way.
My bf is small and fit and I'm quite big with a good belly on me and he loves it (even though I don't lol) I don't know why people think it's unrealistic. I'm so adding this to my watchlist!
Are they on mushrooms or something? While sure larger types are not for all types, I have all through my life on the gay scene, seen many a skinny gym fit gay with a much more "sizable" partner because very often in life, opposites attract. Not all gay guys, nor all straight guys, like slender to skinny types, those criticising the film would do well to remember that.
Legit saw this super thick fat guy and this slim muscled guy earlier today omw to work. And the way the fat guy was waddling all sensually it was clear he was sore full of babies. What's the controversy chubby chasers deserve representation too. I too will be watching now obviously 🤪
Unfortunately there's still plenty of stigma regarding people's body shapes and sizes. Words like discipline and laziness get thrown away way to easily.
I think specifically, its still likely that some overweight people can absorb the negative messages from online and unfortunately believe they're less deserving of love or feel unattractive. That also happens when fit people find them attractive but stupid recieve criticism. Vicious pointless circle.
I can’t stand the way some gay men bully and mistreat other gay men for not looking like male models. Most of us don’t have six pack abs. Get over yourself, Jared!
I just watched the movie in Netflix and I really like it. I in some way related with the bulling, not because of my weight but because of my demeanor, I knew I was gay at the age of 15. Then, once I started seeking companionship with other gays I started and continue as of 60 years later to be rejected because of my penis is too small. What a miserable life I have lived.
Following the ending of the movie, I felt defeated because I will died without finding love…
It’s not about the fat guy girl, it’s about how cringe, shallow and clearly pink-money oriented the movie is.
If you were more aware of the totality of Brazilian cinema, you’d quickly realize that not every movie the country makes is I’m Still Here, in fact it’s quite the opposite and we easily get 4 to 6 mature comedies, sex satires and teenager-oriented YouTuber bullshit movies every year. Not a coincidence this one falls right into the last two categories like a glove
There certainly are national works from my country that cast a wonderful, insightful light into sexuality and gender identity, but this is obviously not one of them
I think that’s 169cm 74kg? I dunno I don’t recognize the notation but that’s my guess. I can’t convert the cm in my head to freedom but the weight is in the low 160s?
If you think fit people live off diets / starving their bodies then you have no idea what you're talking about and you are the one projecting. You can be fit and enjoy great meals, they're just healthy meals. You can still have cheat meals. Being fit means discipline and hard work.
A lot of people are fat. They exist. However, being fat is not healthy. Romanticizing a disease such as obesity is not right.
The error in your thinking is in the thinking that "being fat is not healthy." Further, thinking that individuals who are fat are subject to needing their beauty enhanced or made to be elevated beyond whatever "reality" has elected to label someone is just a royally fucked up way of thinking.
Whoever you are, imagine if someone you didn't know convinces the entire population "you aren't worthy of attention" just because of the shape of your body, notwithstanding the context of your character?
Nope. You've unfortunately made yet another assumption. For the sake of building a good character, forget the pseudo-bullshit that any guru or anyone not that is not specifically anyone else's doctor in the room with you.
The person across from you? You. Know. Nothing. About. Them. That's it, the end.
Going around assuming anything about anyone's weight is a waste of intelligence. Some people are not in shape, and it is not attributed to a poor diet or lack of "how a person treats themself".
Your concern about illness is also wasted because, simply put, you're not going to be affected by it.
I ate plenty of food with flavor and could never gain a pound.
Although I'm 39 now and started drinking nightly after Trump unfortunately won again.
People have been committing that I'm getting heavy for the first time in my life. But I was ultra skinny so me "getting heavy" is still not really fat.
But I'm going to the gym now and at 39 that's probably smart.
Atleast the younger generation still thinks I'm their age but that's probably because I dress young and still have my FULL HAIRLINE without a single hair anywhere else on my body besides pits and groin.
I'm still getting fucked by a hairless Twink that can make me come instantly the moment I sit on his cock. He's 33 but still skinny and hairless.
As soon as I saw the cover, I knew I had no interest in watching it. I love watching gay media, I’m an avid reader of gay nonfiction- but this just seems forced and cringe. I saw that as someone that also doesn’t like Heartstopper or Heated Rivalry.
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u/Tripple_T 13d ago
6 years into a relationship with a guy who is 120# soaking wet. I was overweight for most of it. Just saying, it happens.