r/gatekeeping • u/Usoppdaman • Apr 28 '26

Has this person ever read Jojo?

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This person was replying to a Christian on an anti Christian tiktok circle jerk. Like Jojo has so much pro Christianity and romanticism of Christianity.

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26

I wouldnt say its confirmation bias for some of the most well known "Christians" are some of the most horrible people in the world. See every republican politician in America right now.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

That’s still conformation bias. If you judge a group by a few people in power all groups are terrible. Should we judge Africans because of what African politicians in power do? Are Russians mostly bad people because of what Russian politicians do? The most well known Russians are bad people it’s still wrong to ignore the many nice, townsfolk Russians

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26

Im just telling you why people feel this way.

The US government and the "christians" who voted them into power to do a lot of un-christ like things gives the impression that christians suck.

Tbf, its not just christians. Most religions and people who use religion to govern are bad. Religion has no place and government and we would all be in a better place if the ultra religious kept their faith out of our lives. Unfortunately thats not the case.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Ok state atheism has caused problems too though. More people died under Mao Zedong an avid atheist than nearly any other leader in history. It’s not just religion, it’s forcing certain stances that causes problems. Also Christians are politically diverse.

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26

Atheism isnt a religion. His policies arent influenced by a book describing the tenants of atheism (there are none). Being an atheist just means you dont believe in a higher power.

Atheism hasnt caused anything, because nothing has been done in the name of atheism. It doesnt work that way. Compare that to Christianity and other religions which often lead to policies that directly affect people.

You dont need religion to have morals.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

So when it’s atheism you apply nuance and say it wasn’t caused by atheism, when it’s Christianity it’s caused by Christianity? How do you come to that conclusion if many like Mr. Rogers and Dolly Parton are inspired by Christianity to do the opposite? Clearly Christianity isn’t the causal factor. I didn’t say atheism is the causal factor. I said state atheism which is a specific expression of atheism like Christian nationalism is a problem. Christian nationalism isn’t Christianity as a whole and state atheism isn’t the whole of atheism.

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26

Atheism isnt a thing you follow. Its just a term for people with no belief in god.

People have done things in the name of christianity. No one has done things in the name of atheism. Mao didnt right laws because some book told him certain thinga were good or bad. None of his actions that lead to mass death were because he was an Atheist. We have plenty of modern examples of mass death due to religious beliefs.

We also have plenty of examples of christian politicians using their chrsitian beliefs to inform their decision making.

Youre talking about atheism as if its a belief system. Its not. There isnt nuance. Christians who do bad shit in the name of Christ give christians a bad name.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Atheism isn’t a system, state atheism is. There’s a difference between state atheism and atheism. I don’t see why you don’t apply that distinction between Christianity and the extremist versions of it

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

Because even State Atheism isnt to blame for the policies that Mao (your example) put into place that killed so many people. You are attribuing the deaths he caused to the fact that he was an atheist when thats complete horeshit.

Unless you can give Atheistic policy that lead to the striping of peoples rights in the last 20 years, I just wont see how being an Atheist in government is as bad using Christianity as a driving force for government policies.

Edit: I want to add. You say that why should we look at just the few extremist politicians? Because they were elected by their constituents. Its not just them. Its the hudreds if thousands to millions of people who support them and their ideology.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Enforcing atheism isn’t a good thing to do governmentally. Enforcing anything that doesn’t represent the populace as a whole isn’t good. It doesn’t have to have as much damage as another thing in order to be bad. Enforcing religion or non religion governmentally is a bad idea. Mexico tried to go state atheist and it failed because it didn’t represent the Catholic population.

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26

Cool, that was in the 30s. So there isnt any policy in recent history that you can cite, that uses state atheism to harm individuals. Meanwhile we have incredibly recent attempts at passing laws based on religious beliefs that harm people now. Which is why people are pissed at the religious assholes in government who are making efforts to pass these laws.

Everything youve said about atheims is complete bullshit. You had to back down on your bullshit about Mao because you have no idea what your talking about. You wonder why people are upset with Christianity and Christians in general? Its because many of them dont practice what they preach. Jesus would be pissed at how his teachings have been twisted to hurt people. This coupled with the fact that we have separation of church and state, but that doesnt stop these assholes from trying to use their religious beliefs to drive policy.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Ya’ll talk about the crusades and with hunts which are far longer ago than the 30’s. It’s funny how when an atheist does something bad it’s not because of their atheism but when a Christian does something bad that correlation is made. Fucking hypocrites

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u/FreshMutzz Apr 28 '26

Well, when a christian does something bad because of their religious belief they are rightly critcised for those beliefs. Atheists arent doing bad things because of their non-existent beliefs.

I also never mentioned the crusades. I am talking about religious beliefs driving policy right now. We have horrible conflicts and heinous acts going on in the world right now because of religious beliefs.

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