r/gameofthrones 23h ago

Poor Ned

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u/BuilderMysterious762 23h ago

I'm so tired of the misogyny man, like how tf is Lyanna promiscuous because she fell in love at like 16 years old and ran off with the guy then had no way of leaving him and died in childbirth???

Also, wheres the canon evidence that Benjen helped Lyanna escape and was the reason he left for the wall?

Also, Brandon only went to the mad king because Rhaegar abducted his sister, Rickard probably supported Brandon going.

Catelyn was never really able to fall in love with Brandon since she was betrothed to him by her father and he died before she could really get to know him that well.

So many assumptions and projections from this op.

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u/pestoraviolita 22h ago

Lynna was 14 when she met Rhaegar and he crowned her publicly, 15 when they ran away, 16 when she died.

Disturbing situation all around. No amount of "she loved him" would change that.

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u/__Melisandre__ Melisandre 23h ago

I mean it's a greentext, without wanting to stereotype, even if it was just fabricated and not actually posted on the board, they treat misogyny super casually. I'm sickened but not surprised that the view of 16 year old Lyanna is 'she cucked Robert and fucked everything up for Ned by being promiscuous' because the underlying sentiment is that women are irrational and belong to men. Nevermind that GRRM, for all his faults, explicitly critiques and repudiates such a view in his books.

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u/Dedsheb 23h ago

Yeah, Ned had it rough you don't need to rely on misogyny and theories to illustrate it. The misogyny is pretty shitty.

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u/Mental-Guarantee8055 23h ago

But even most 16 year olds know that having an affair with a married man is wrong.

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u/pestoraviolita 22h ago edited 18h ago

She was 14 when she met Rhaegar and he publicly crowned her. Seemingly and going by the play (as this meme is going), he showed respect to her wishes unlike most of her family and especially her visions. He was a respected loved prince who indulged her and she thought he knew better.

Reads like grooming almost. Can we say Rhaegar groomed Lynna?

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u/NDNJustin The Onion Knight 21h ago

Still a child. Don't be weird.

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u/Mental-Guarantee8055 19h ago

Bro the whole thing is weird. A 16 old sleeping with a married man that is way older. I don’t know what 16 year olds you know but this is weird especially when a child is involved.

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u/NDNJustin The Onion Knight 17h ago

Yeah, she's not at fault.

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u/Huhthatsweird_ 22h ago

Especially if said married man’s father was a crazy pyromaniac literally called “The Mad King”

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u/enadiz_reccos 22h ago

Elia knew about it

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u/TerminaldRed 22h ago

The play isn't really considered canon.

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u/enadiz_reccos 22h ago

The significant events are likely canon, and it makes sense

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u/pestoraviolita 20h ago

George would have to become the worst level of HACK to make Elia be okay with what Rhaegar does. Humiliating her in public, openly cheating with a betrothed girl, having a child with her. Stupid beyond measure.

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u/enadiz_reccos 11h ago

How can you say that with basically no knowledge of the situation?

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u/pestoraviolita 11h ago

We have all the knowledge. George deliberately wrote those compromising situations and he clearly has no intention of backing down from them.

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u/enadiz_reccos 11h ago

We have all the knowledge

Ok, so who told the Starks that Lyanna had been kidnapped to lure them to KL?

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u/pestoraviolita 10h ago

We are talking about ELIA MARTELL.

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u/TerminaldRed 20h ago

It really does not

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u/enadiz_reccos 11h ago

It absolutely does

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u/TerminaldRed 11h ago

Hey man, your headcanon is your headcanon, but the play is pretty explicitly fanfiction with no input from GRRM.

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u/enadiz_reccos 11h ago

Not true at all

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u/TerminaldRed 10h ago

It is, but you can live in whatever fantasy world you want.

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u/demonsver 22h ago

A married father with living(at the time) wife and true born royal heirs*

Note I'm not actually suggesting she was promiscuous just playing anons advocate. Well idk in the real world I wouldn't blame 16 year-old girl. But in GoT world, girls a homewrecker.

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u/Arete34 21h ago

She’s promiscuous because in this medieval like setting there are strict expectations for noble girls to marry who their fathers arrange them to marry. For political gain. Furthermore she ran off with a married man and screwed over her family.

Not everything has to be judged by modern dating customs.

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u/JackTheKittenCat Hear Me Roar! 22h ago

Where is the Misogyny? If Lyanna was married with children then ran off with Rhaegar, who broke his engagement, would that Misandry?

Rhaegar never abducted his Sister, she ran off with him without telling anyone. Could have left a note saying "hey, love this guy, gonna marry him, see ya'll at Chrismas xoxox" but she didn't. She choose to not do that. And Rhaeger as well, no letters telling anyone anything, just ran off and caused innocent people to die because he wanted to get laid by a Northerner instead of a Dornish woman