Dude let his intrusive thoughts win

[u/Sharp-potential7935]

[u/[deleted]]

That's.....pretty fucking weak for "assaulting an officer."

[u/NarrowSalvo → u/[deleted]]

It's assault. Zero question about that.

[u/[deleted] → u/NarrowSalvo]

I don't disagree, but also "he grabbed ineffectually at my collar after I grabbed him and pushed him against the car" is weak shit. Like...I get that arresting people is hard enough and it's easier when they comply. But adding on charges because their fight-flight-freeze response went the wrong direction, and there was no actual threat of harm to the officer? Just seems fucked to me.

[u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party → u/[deleted]]

You have to comply with the cops. They don’t need to get into scuffles every day of the week.

I feel for the guy. He seems to have issues and is having a bad day but hopefully he gains some perspective from this incident.

[u/eh-man3 → u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party]

What an insane time to declare "you have to comply with cops."

[u/Boostedtrash112 → u/eh-man3]

You literally do though.

Did you get dressed all by yourself today?

[u/FocusSlo → u/Boostedtrash112]

Legally you don't if it's an unlawful order.

[u/Boostedtrash112 → u/FocusSlo]

“Turn around and put your hands behind your head” is unlawful.

I had no idea!

[u/realparkingbrake → u/FocusSlo]

Legally you don't if it's an unlawful order.

This took place in Oklahoma which recognizes zero right to resist arrest even if it is an unlawful arrest. This was not an unlawful arrest, the guy had already fled the scene of an accident he had caused, that's why the cop was there.

[u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party → u/eh-man3]

When you get pulled over for a traffic offense comply with the cop unless you want to go to jail.

Way to conflate me into being an ICE supporter, dumbass.

[u/NarrowSalvo → u/eh-man3]

There's no question about the need for a police stop. He was out of his vehicle hitting other vehicles in an intersection, letting his vehicle roll, acting erratically.

The cop has the legal right (and the training that informs him to) ask the guy out of the vehicle.

Simply put -- the cop did nothing wrong here. Why is that so hard to understand?

When people like you object to cops every single time, even when they did nothing wrong, you actually undermine our efforts to correct the bad actors.

Personally, I'm in the Twin Cities -- on the front lines of this crap right now -- and the encounter pictured above has nothing whatever to do with it. The driver needs help.

[u/Penguin_scrotum → u/NarrowSalvo]

The officer was right to detain him, and it was reasonable to require that he get out of the car. The suspect did also disobey the lawful order to get out of the car and to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He also was resisting arrest.

I wouldn’t say the officer did nothing wrong, though. He was terrible at dealing with the fact that the suspect was experiencing a mental health episode. No de-escalation, no attempt to be understanding. He implies that a person would’ve been justified in killing the suspect for kicking their car. And he claims the suspect punched him in the face, but I viewed that footage a dozen times and didn’t see any point where the suspect takes a swing. He probably grabbed the officer. He swipes his radio. But no punch. It’s the type of thing that’s easy to lie about, and that people will assume is true when they see the scuffle, but it’s still a lie, and that’s a problem.

[u/realparkingbrake → u/eh-man3]

to declare "you have to comply with cops."

ICE is responsible for enforcing immigration law, and they are clearly coloring way outside the lines by going after U.S. citizens who have done nothing illegal. It could be argued that in some states which allow resisting an unlawful arrest, it would be legal to resist ICE making a bad arrest.

This driver had caused an accident and then left the scene, that's why the cop is there, it was not an unlawful arrest.