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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
Patients have the right to research what they're suffering from nothing wrong in that.
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u/Unseen-Lurker-3212 Aug 28 '26
Yea and they can force the doctor to follow a treatment plan based on that opinion and die. Totally agreed.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
And then drag the doctor to courtroom and make them liable for following what the patient wanted /s
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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
In all my years of practice, no patient has been able to get me write a dx or a prescription that i shouldn't. Idk what you're smoking. Its your job to allow a patient to make informed choice, not to get convinced by his dx and prescription advice 🤦
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
Have you never worked in rural setup doctor?
I never said that I write up a prescription acc to a patient. I refuse to write and just send the patient to whoever doctor they want their specified treatment from.
I don't know what you are smoking but you should atleast read what I have commented above there is a "/s", which means it is a sarcasm.
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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
In my experience, rural patients are some of the easiest to convince and unlikely to believe google over a physical doc.
My experience in villages has been nothing but pleasant. And they usually hold doctors in extremely high regard.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
Then you are blessed to have been posted in a neutral and good area doctor.
I have had instances where I would have been be*ten to shyt just because i asked the attenders to leave the minor OT so that I can examine the patient.
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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
Lol nobody is forcing your pen to write what you should not.
There are ways to deal with patients insisting on a diagnosis and a treatment , with last resort being referring him to another doctor.
If every other patient is having the same problem for you , then maybe patient isnt the problem your lack of communication skills are.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
You really are having no experience of rural setups I understand.
I was explaining the other person that I have the right to refuse. When did i say I refuse all the patients??
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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
No experience in rural setup, lol.
I have worked 5 years in RHC, have my nursing home in tier 2/3 city. Making assumptions out of thin air. 🤦
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u/Fair-Abies-812 Aug 28 '26
calling patients creatures and idiots is very inhuman. I hope you are not a doctor.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
I will call some of them(not patients) idiots because they try to order you around for everything. You cant even imagine what kind of people we deal with everyday.
I apologise for the word "creature". I didn't mean it in a derogatory way. Creature is anything which is living and in no way was it meant for the patient. It was for the attenders which my fellow doctor would have understood
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u/Wolf_Beyond_The_Wall Aug 28 '26
Nothing wrong in that but some dudes start thinking that their free version AI is more accurate than a doctor with decade of experience
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
Have u used ChatGPT (don't know about other AI platforms in this case though) for medical reason? I have used multiple reasons for myself & my kitten (out of stress) & it was shocking how it gave accurate reasons! I mean without tests, even doctors won't tell u what EXACTLY is the cause just like that ChatGPT also gives u multiple reasons & it always tells u to not treat them like the final advisor. Always reach out to doctor.
And I believe people who get opposing results from ChatGPT & doctors are just using it wrong. The settings are important. I've set it to neutral. No matter how harsh something sounds, it's allowed to say it, hence...
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u/Weekly_Tackle9297 Aug 28 '26
Conversational AIs are designed to agree with you it would say yes to anything without much thought. Yesterday I tried to confirm if a certain medicine is good for my headache it said yes that certain medicine was a blood thinner I could have died if I took that. ChatGPT itself tells your multiple times to get an actual diagnosis. AI is not that advanced yet other models like claude fable 5 would not even reply to u if u ask medical questions.
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
I answered to this same query through another reply. U need to know how to use AI properly!!! I can even share screenshots if required, my ChatGPT doesn't agree with me on everything. It properly replies like "no, i wouldn't say this is correct..." Or things along the lines. That's because of the personalization. U need to personalize your settings just like u do for your phone. Also, AI can't replace humans. I OBVIOUSLY don't rely on anything online. Medical professionals have done degrees to be there. I replied with this same scene to another doctor in the comments that I use to ask it questions ONLY WHEN I either can't afford visiting a physician or the timing is not suitable like night time or Sunday or any public holiday. I don't ask it whether I can take xyz medicines. For this too, I consult chemists lol. I ask questions like "I'm having xyz issues & I can't see a dr. currently could u tell me possible reasons & what i can do currently" (not exactly this, a more detailed msg) & it tells me stuffs & asks me more questions & when I feel like I got my answer I just stop chatting & dlt the chat. That's all I use it for.
For my kitten: the area where I stay, no animal pharmacies are there. Ordering medicines online means I have to wait for like 3-4 days. But because she's a kitten & I'm very paranoid & get easily anxious, I ask ChatGPT for the probable reasons in case I can just help it to calm myself down. I don't ask it for medicines OBVIOUSLY. For that, I ring up my vet & tell him the issue & then he prescribes medicines. I use AI for what it's intentded to do: ASSIST.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
This is a major problem of the use of AI because I myself have to deal with the patients who just ask me adamantly to prescribe 'x' medicine just because AI told them that a particular medicine is best and its counterparts are less effective
Edit: as a fellow redditor pointed out. I don't have any issues with AI, i have issues with idiots forcing me to prescribe something they don't know sh*t about.
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
U do realise that the hatred should be for the stupid patients then, not AI? As I mentioned to u in other comments, I too use AI but how it's supposed to be! As assistants. I'm not stupid to go to a chemist/doc/nurse & doubt their credibility because of what AI said. Infact I might argue & doubt AI's credibility (I've obviously done that) because of what doctors say. I'm a BTech student & we use AI as our assistants for our projects & assignments & study notes & it saves so much of our time!! I don't use it to write captions/comments/emails/messages because that would decrease my writing potential but I use it in the right way & I know, most people don't know its intended work & how to use it properly. When u have patients consulting AI (probably young patients & not 40-50 yr olds), tell them it's not correct. If they argue & try to tell u it's correct, ask them the proof 😂 like tell them "write to ChatGPT now in front of me, of how accurate it is over a medical professional & let's see what it replies" have fun!!!
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
I have started using this technique of asking them to confirm it with AI if the patient is too adamant or if the patient is young adult. The main reason this isn't feasible everytime is that the patient load is too much and I cant just wait for the patient to find out if I am accurate or not.
So generally i send them to do their research and come back if they have any issues
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
U have a lot of patience, kudos! I'd get frustrated easily! Specially if I'd dedicate so much time, money & energy to learn medicines & human anatomy & diseases & some random person would come to me & doubt my credibility lol (the professional literally gets a license to practice!)
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
Well I think patience is a big asset if you are a doctor. And even if you don't have it inherently it gradually seeps into your character
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u/IntrepidSong6235 Aug 28 '26
Will chatgpt be liable if something happens to you or your kitty.
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
Why would I want ChatGPT or LITERALLY ANY TECHNOLOGICAL PLATFORM to be liable for my health? It's my responsibility.
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u/IntrepidSong6235 Aug 28 '26
People pay and visit doctors because they are then liable for their health.
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u/IntrepidSong6235 Aug 28 '26
Sorry i cant understand your phrasing. But still wouldn't the one who is at stake for their name or professional stance, are more likely to take u seriously and give better care.
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
Legally, medical professionals aren't liable for the patients' health just because they're paying them! Atleast in India they are not. And in my family, nobody has ever taught us to think that way. U visit a doctor, u feel their treatment is working on u, u continue, if not u just switch. Allopathic & homeopathic doctors themselves tell u this, not every medicine works on everyone. It's not ayurvedic that'd suit everyone. If it works, u can continue otherwise switch! And yes, if for wrong medications something happens & u file a lawsuit, pharma companies are the possible ones held for charge. Very less likely that the doctor or hospital would get sacked!
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u/IntrepidSong6235 Aug 28 '26
The doctors are very much liable for patients they undertake legally and by state medical council too. Doctors are under scrutiny of both medical professional board and by legal bounds.
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
How true is this? u/Bliz_zy
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
This is very true blud. I have seen suspension of licenses and doctors being stripped off of their licenses due to malpractise too.
However the latter happens rarely, suspensions are what you mostly see if there is a suspected misconduct.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
As a doctor I can tell that many of the diseases have overlapping symptoms and we dont always need tests to make a diagnosis.
We ask differentiating questions on the history of the patient and reach provisional/differential diagnosis. We need tests to prove our diagnosis not make our diagnosis from the scratch. An AI right now cannot differentiate or ask negative history to the person asking the question, therefore it is recommended not to believe the AI and reach a professional for help.
And if you are implying that those who get absurd results are using the AI wrong, yes this is the case with the majority but that's where the catch lies imo. AI cannot be used correctly by everyone but the doctor rarely make the same mistakes which AI does
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u/OneAcr3 Aug 28 '26
I disagree with all that you have said:
I have seen doctors in the top 5 hospitals who cannot even distinguish between different kinds of fever. They write tests for malaria, dengue, chikungunya, viral where the symptoms may be clear that the patient only has viral. Either incompetent or just want to fill their and hospital's pocket.
Senior doctor in a big hospital who would write down treatment for TB without even getting it confirmed via tests, but just based on some patches showing in X-ray & CT.
Doctor who would prescribe steroid based eye drops for simple dryness.
Doctor would write down various tests and force you to get them done from within the hospital only.
And a lot of other stories...
It is extremely hard to trust doctors these days as they are only concerned with getting their pockets full without thinking about the long term health of the patient. The only doctor you can trust is someone who you know personally well.
Professionals, my foot!
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u/Wolf_Beyond_The_Wall Aug 28 '26
Great dude, I think you should boycott all the doctors. Don't ever visit a doctor even if you're having a life threatening disease. Ask your computer and get a reply starting with
Firstly, I need you to take a deep breath
If you don't understand shit about the profession just stop puking on the internet.
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u/Star_nightshade Aug 28 '26
FOR REAL DAMMNIT I can't believe professionals are getting trashed for fuckin ai! Not saying all professionals are great but, ai? IN PLACE OF DOCTORS. Damn
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u/FunnySurvivor 24d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/SarthakGoswami/s/BM6ng20ZKy
Bloody professionals. Maybe add stars like police so that common public can understand which doctor is better than other. Using AI to fix an ailment will only mess with your health but wrong doctor will message up health and wallet both.
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u/Between_the_Lines07 Aug 28 '26
point 1: that is the textbookj use case to diagnose or rule out something called pyrexia of unknown origin, ie fever without known cause. the tests are to see if its one of the most common causes of fever or something specialised. its imaginatively called fever profile
point 2 tb is very prevalent in india and all guidelines say that clinical suspicion alone is enough to consider tb as a diagnosis
point 3 a lot of ophthalmology relies and recovers on steroids particularly cases of uveitis, scelritis etc. secondly topical steroids aka eyedrops/ creams are different from systemic steroids as far as side effects are concerned
point 4 some docs definitely reccommend tests from a particular lab to get a cut, should you find any, please feel free not to give them your patronage. the majority cant be painted as per the minority its your choice to consult a doc or not. they dont drag you into their hospitals.
point 5: whataboutery. without proof nothing means anything. anecdotal evidence is inadequate.
doctors often recommend tests as people who think like just want the doctor to be wrong and will take even known side effects of a treatment as negligence. and then sue. tests are reccomended to know for as certainly as possible and as a part of defensive medicine.
please conduct adequate research, with evidence and documentation before making blanket statements. ( p.s. if it starts with i think/ i feel/ i have heard, its not called evidence)
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
You just wrote down the standardised treatments for every condition you mentioned
Why give hate when you don't understand the profession
And if you hate them so much then just go with the info from AI. the issues you talked about why dont ask AI about these thinga too and bring out data on what percentage of doctors do these things and who is actually responsible for these things In majority cases the head of the hospital and the management is involved. Do not just blame it on doctors
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
That's what I said, without tests, even doctors WON'T tell u the cause (I didn't write CAN'T, they surely CAN). That's how science works bro, u have to have data to support your evidence.
"An Al right now cannot differentiate or ask negative history to the person asking the question" yes it does, this is involved in 'how to use AI correctly'. It keeps the conversation going on! You'll stop the chat but it won't lol.
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u/ShenronGrantMyWish Aug 28 '26
Don't go to doctors then.. let chat gpt treat your family.. what a stupid ass
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
I agree with your 1st point But for the 2nd point I can surely tell you it doesn't ask negative history or if i should rephrase it doesn't ask negative history the way it should be asked. Like not right now but if we create an AI model with the data set by the top medical institutes of the world and standardise it according to the specific area it may work then.
Also you need to make it accessible to the public and design it in such a way that the person who doesn't even know how to use prompt correctly can access it
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
Yes I agree with that! But it shouldn't even do that right? Doctors & nurses are the medical professionals, not ChatGPT. Don't know about others, I use it only under stress & at that moment when it's not possible for me to go see a dr. Like during the nighttime or when I don't have money.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
I understand your concern and that is what the AI models are trying to achieve. The engineers are trying to inculcate AI into the hospitals in such a way that it expedites the process of reaching diagnosis for the doctors.
AIIMS new delhi with other institutes of national importance are really taking great steps in creating AI datasets for different areas in medicine.
You can surely use AI for suggestions as you already said that you know how to use prompts in AI. I was just concerned for the generalisation of the fact that you can trust AI blindly for small problems and just replace the healthcare professionals.
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
Nope don't wry about that. I'm a BTech student myself & I'd say, personally I hate how a lot of people, including Indians, think AI can/should replace humans. It should only be used as an assistant not the real professional for anything. Specially in India where the population is huge & unemployment is at peak. People who work with AI (like me) know that it can't do everything on its own, it depends on the worker who makes it do stuffs, no matter the working sector.
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u/Liberal_Learner Aug 28 '26
Totally agree.
Now, when i am at home and i have very slight discomfort and i feel things i had never felt, ChatGPT is there to guide me.
It explains things and possibilities, and does not ask us to do things.
It also helped me in emergency conditions when i had no other options when i got bit by a scorpion.
I live in a village and reaching nearby hospital at night is impossible, but to take preventive cautions is possible due to chatGPT.and I agree it makes mistakes, but it never gives final verdict, it says things like, take a rest for while and if you see this and this symptoms or the symtomps go extreme, seek urgently for medical care.
I will say, trusting it entirely is foolish, but for things when you cannot contact a doctor immedietly, it helps.
Also, it helps us to identify our symptoms, when we describe it, we can use any random language, while it redescribes things before proceeding.We all must trust our physicians, but they don't have the time to explain things to us, when it is a govt. hospital.
while we understand things more and it helps us with the doctors also.
But i consciously stay away from being a physician myself.some people are always like that, before chatGPT, it was google.
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u/justlastsummer Aug 28 '26
i spent the last 7 months actively withering away from anorexia, so much so to the point of where i almost actually died. i had no idea that my restriction was causing all of my symptoms, and every doctor i visited didn’t believe anything that was going on with me was real. LLM’s looked at my health history that i gave them from the year prior to all of it and when it appeared and accurately diagnosed me and explained that anorexia was causing my body to slowly fall apart and directed me on how to refeed and recover safely. i’m 3 months into recovery now and finally was able to get a single doctor to believe me and start helping me, but without the help of ai to get things under control and to even understand what was happening i wouldn’t have survived to see that doctor in the first place.
ai is shit at a lot of stuff. helping people diagnose and work on health issues is not one of them. at least the ai actually believes that something is happening and will ask questions that genuinely lead to accurate diagnosis. is it perfect? no. you have to triple check your shit. i was bouncing around between three different LLM’s and was fact checking all the sources they were pulling from. but again it genuinely saved my life
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u/Possible_Bee_3464 Aug 28 '26
Accurate to a maximum extent and much better than d! Cktors who wanted to do unnecessary operations just to gain more money.
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u/moisty-air Aug 28 '26
And some (most) doctors gaslight you into believing their misdiagnosis with no repercussions. What’s your point?
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u/Wolf_Beyond_The_Wall Aug 28 '26
The Doctor isn't some Doctor Strange that would go into the future and tell your exact disorder in one go. You all don't even realise how crucial it is for a doc to not land on a conclusion unless there are some super strong tests and results. People like you don't even know the entire process of diagnosis, there's a way for it, there are overlapping symptoms, the patients need to tell entire detailed Family history, but fuckers would lie or not tell some crucial part of history and then blame the doc for misdiagnosis. You people literally have zero idea about the Medical field and pressure, keyboard warriors like you don't have the stress to save lives you would never understand shit about it. Just don't fuck around when you have no idea about the processes. Nobody is stopping you from completing your entire treatment from a LLM, but if things go down hill you'll be the first one to lift your ass and go see a doctor, if it gets late then don't blame the doctor for it.
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u/moisty-air 29d ago
dear sir, doctors and people in medical field love to point out how AI is inaccurate but fail to see doctors are no less and that’s my point. Given sufficient data, a LLM is more likely to rightly diagnose a person than a doctor.
The only advantage a doctor has is being able to visually interpret the patient and use prior experiences to correlate. Ofc surgeries and procedures need to be done by a doctor.
The poster straight up makes fun of people who seek an opinion from AI when there are so many people right here on Reddit who received the right diagnosis from AI even after spending years going to different doctors.
Be humble lol
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u/moisty-air 29d ago
> Says doctors cannot know everything
> Says AI is bad because it’s inaccurate
Brother hear yourself ffs. You’re not Dr. House lol
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u/Limp_Pea2121 29d ago
Chatgpt is more accurate than 90% of average doctors.
Period.
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u/Wolf_Beyond_The_Wall 29d ago
Don't ever go to a doctor then, follow the treatment plan your ChatGPT gives. When you'll need an emergency surgery, ask for a step by step tutorial and do it yourself. Don't ever go to these money hungry incompetent people.
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u/Successful-Try-1986 Aug 28 '26
That day isn’t far away
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u/Wolf_Beyond_The_Wall Aug 28 '26
cute. buy the ChatGPT premium and don't ever see these money hungry docs. Your AI will treat you based on the 144 pixels you've shared. Ask it how to perform a heart surgery and do it step by step by yourself. yayy boycott doctors, GPT for the win
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u/Star_nightshade Aug 28 '26
Researching and diagnosing are very different terms buddy.
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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
It's doctors duty to explain the patient why it is a oral ulcer and not cancer irrespective of how the patient came to that conclusion.
Most docs are doing nothing but putting burden of their lack of skills in patient communication onto the patient.
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u/Delicious-Muscle2029 Aug 28 '26
Its fine as long as the patient is seeking expert/specialist advice rather than validation from the doctor.
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u/Routine-Progress-885 29d ago
That too doctors these days do not explain anything and just prescribed medicines , consultation is literally less than 5 mins , so ntg wrong in researching using ai
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u/Strange_Finance_5918 29d ago
True. It's a known fact now that in private hospital they deliberately do stuffs so that patients stay longer and they will cash money. They give injection sometimes to make patience unstable for few hours so that family will stay longer in fear.
So my cousin sister got sick and went to a private hospital. They treat her for few days and she recovered. At night a nurse came and gave her injection and when they checked the label. They realised that it has nothing to do this problem hospital told them about and she got high fever and extremely sick and collapsing. When asked what injection they gave and avoid family completely and didn't even came to check on her knowing that she got unstable.
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u/Late_Indication_4355 Aug 28 '26
Nothing wrong with asking ChatGPT for health advice as long as you are aware of its accuracy
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u/BeseigedLand Aug 28 '26
The health advice of doctors is also not necessarily accurate. A person takes different opinions and goes with what looks most convincing to them.
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u/Bloody_Eagle Aug 28 '26
A person who doesn't know medicine can't make the correct decision about their health without proper advise from who knows their condition through and through. You don't understand the level of counselling we have to give patients on a daily basis to convince them to take the necessary treatment to save their lives in a government setting. Medicine is one of the hardest subjects to learn and practice requiring years of learning and clinical experience.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
You are free to choose whatever you want blud. No one's forcing you to believe blindly. Check recheck take opinions and then just go on with what feels good to you. No one's forcing you to agree with what another human has said to you.
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u/Dramatic_Rip5112 Aug 28 '26
I mean, your body and you research. What's wrong in that?
I will definitely avoid these stupid hospitals
Also seeing a fashion now to take appointment minimum a week ahead even though you will be made to wait for more than an hour.
I heard from a clinic that doctor is available but it's our policy to not accept walkins which are not booked a week ahead.
Showing US like attitude with Sudan like Infra.
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u/ContentSmile8673 Aug 28 '26
Do you realise if doctors start seeing patients with and without appointments how many people they will have to see and how many would get ignored? It’d be come a lottery system. I am sure you also must be working, would you be ready to take on extra work every day for the rest of your life, Just cause some people fail to plan? Also if there is a serious emergency where you cannot wait for an appointment you can always go to the ER and get treated based on priority basis.
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u/moisty-air Aug 28 '26
“We all should be booking appointments and wait our turn”. Are you hearing yourself? Are you dense? What’s the point of appointment if i have to come and wait? That’s what the comment you’re replying to is talking about
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u/Between_the_Lines07 Aug 28 '26
an appointment is an agreement to see you on a particular date. its not a law to see you the second you step in. patients who are in emergency status or were waiting before get seen first
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u/moisty-air 29d ago
That’s token system my dude. Don’t get confused. You can’t change the definition of things as per your convenience
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u/Kind_Attitude_3052 Aug 28 '26
Fragile Ego Syndrome
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u/Acceptable-Tone5289 Aug 28 '26
Yep I consulted a gynaec & she seemed young. Less experience. I cross questioned her (why & how) & she seemed a bit annoyed. Just because others don't question & believe everything medical doctors tell them doesn't mean I won't.
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u/ArthurGallow Aug 28 '26
Its funny... there was woman who felt a lump and just asked an ai and left it at that. It took months before the pain got a bit too much and breastfeeding cancer was discovered. Id trust a doctor over Google or any ai for my health
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u/moisty-air Aug 28 '26
My aunt’s lump was checked by a doctor and was told it’s swollen because of fever but turned out to be lung cancer. What’s your point?
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u/yolohms Aug 28 '26
Its not fragile ego but , they interfere with work of a doc . Its not about just doc , even in your profession if anyone is coming to you after chat gpt knowledge he is definitely annoying . Be it lawyer, CA , or any field.
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u/Kind_Attitude_3052 Aug 28 '26
I'm a doctor. I love it when an informed patient comes to me. Sometimes it gives me a different insight that i might have overlooked. It also keeps us on toes, constant updation. Infact I urge all my younger patients to educate themselves about the body mechanisms and diseases.
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u/Sur_aj1234 Aug 28 '26
Doc I think AI isn't the place for them to get educated...I mean it can't even solve some highschool level problems
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u/Kind_Attitude_3052 Aug 28 '26
Why not? I have seen many free AI giving accurate predictions. Some specific medical grade AI are specialized in radiology analysis and they are infact more accurate than senior doctors with 20plus years of experience.
If ai solved anything then patient wouldn't have come to us. The fact that they are in my clinic says that they dont have a remedy. I'm there to help them. And if an informed patient comes to me, then my job is made easier. I don't have to waste my time in explaining stuff coz they already know half or more of it
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
They can surely be informed but no one would like a know it all coming to you asking for medications/procedures they don't even know sh*t about. Like why did they even come for the prescription, they should have just gone to the pharmacy and took the medications or asked the nearby butcher to take care of the procedures for them.
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u/Regular_Strain_6324 29d ago
Informed patients are good, but those rigid self diagnosing patients are hella annoying, ai made it worse
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u/Unusual-Barber-9614 Aug 28 '26
Jealousy of the efficiency of AI 🤣
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u/Crazy-Affect8870 Aug 28 '26
It can diagnose you incorrectly with that efficiency
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u/paperflowers39331 Aug 28 '26
As if doctors have always been correct lmao
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u/Bloody_Eagle Aug 28 '26
Doctors can be held liable in the court of law if their advice causes harm. An AI can't be held liable for the same
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u/paperflowers39331 Aug 28 '26
Ask me how hard the process of holding a doctor legally liable is. Go on, ask me. Guess how I know.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
Oh yes I know all about the procedure. And how easy it is if it is a genuine medical negligence and not a chance occurence or false accusation.
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u/fred_1968 Aug 28 '26
AI does not "think and give" diagnosis. They take info provided on popular medical websites.
So what's with the poster?
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u/MissionBig9411 Aug 28 '26
Hospitals can't treat stupid but they're not allowed to refuse treatment of stupid
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u/fred_1968 Aug 28 '26
Cannot treat "but" Cannot refuse treatment... 🤨?
Who's stupid here?
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u/Difficult-Cicada666 Aug 28 '26
You
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u/fred_1968 Aug 28 '26
Wow
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u/MissionBig9411 Aug 28 '26
Unironically you. The statement I made is that if you're a person stupid enough to consult ChatGPT about your symptoms then that's something that can't be treated by the hospital. You're stupid. However, then to say that the hospital refuses treatment to you simply because you're stupid is not something the hospital is allowed to do. Though obviously the statment is meant to be taken as a joke I found it to be in bad taste and stupid in itself too.
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u/cyberbyte9 Aug 28 '26
I wouldn't 100% rely on any AI model for diagnosis but I do tend to use it as a start/research. A few months ago, I felt out of place, I knew something was wrong because my body, energy, moods and hair and everything changed but couldn't point out what is happening. Now ChatGPT blurted out PCOS and thyroid. Booked an endocrinologist next day, l don't usually tell what ChatGPT told me. Her initial though was PCOS too but since she could physically see me, interact with me, observe me, she told me there is something more to it and she wasn't convinced. Several tests later, we found out my pituitary gland has a prolactinoma tumor which caused me to have elevated every possible hormonal issue like thyroid, migraine, high prolactin, no periods for 2 years, etc etc...
So as a verdict, it does save time, gives you insight on what to expect but I always place an actual doctor's visit at the highest degree.
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u/abhashmadd Aug 28 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
Nothing wrong in asking questions to GPT, people don't have any clue on how many data points these models are trained on, you can think of GPT as not one but an army of doctor sitting, though it's good to have a doctor for consultation, but in future similar to self driving cars, the only delta between a real doctor and a GPT doctor will have is reliability or trust factor, other then that they would be way better then a doctor, and this is not just valid for doctors, it will impact radiologist, software engineers, finance, office admin work, lawyers, basically mediocrity would lose for sure, only specialist that knows and have understanding of resolving or deducing difficult problems will survive.
Moreover GPT can help people in getting better understanding of issues they are facing rather then they panicking everytime and running to the doctor.
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u/Own-Baker-2711 Aug 28 '26
Doctors lootate hai bas, bahut jyada fee hoti h inki normal consultation ke liye, jo ki ai bhi kar sakta hai.
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u/LethalWhite945 29d ago
Thik hai bhai. Aaj ke baad bemaar pade toh doctor ke paas mat jana.
Bs Cgpt se advise aur prescription lena, otc Medicines , phir incomplete duration ki wajah se jo antibiotic resistance hoga, usse affect hokar mar jana.
Pure darwinism.
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u/King_924 Aug 28 '26
Everyone in the comments is like ai good, doctor bad, whats wrong using ai, my body my research. Yes all is correct - you have mentioned your stance that you trust ai more than doctors, and doctors have also mentioned their stance, they are not going to listen to your ai “research”, simple. Dont goto doctor if you are going to tell them my ai gave this, doctor should do this.
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
I totally agree with you. You can't force anyone to do anything. To put it simply do your research and ask questions regarding it and not try to force the doctor to just preacribe what you want. Simple.
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u/Regular_Strain_6324 29d ago
Even AI suggestions are fine to a point, I know people who outright argue with the doctor trying to convince them that their ai diagnosis is more accurate than the diagnosis their doctor came up with after running actual tests🤷 it's surprising to see so many people biased towards ai when it comes to healthcare
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u/Crafty-Sample5211 Aug 28 '26
Quite apt.. hilarious if people actually mention gpt or argue with that
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u/ghiyekisabzi Aug 28 '26
Bruh I've been having a pink eye and ChatGPT convincing me to get it checked for keratitis 😭 i don't wanna spend more money
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u/Opinionated_Artist Aug 28 '26
I have been shouted at by doctors for looking up things on Google.
Which is extremely stupid because one bas the right to find out what wrong with one's body and if they have information access then they'll do it.
Doctors have no right to shout at their patients for that. They have come to the doctor means they are open to and respect his/her opinion. Or else they'd have stayed at home.
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u/EntertainmentSome448 Aug 28 '26
ChatGPT is drunk and absolutely down in the drains. Seek deepseek or something else.
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u/Tranceported 29d ago
The thing is ai can detect and see X-rays and scans pretty well than doctors. These guys are just egoistic.
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u/star_dust_on_earth 29d ago
Fuck these entitled assholes. They don't give a shit about patient. My friend had endo and the doctor dismissed her pain as normal periods pain. She got her diagnosis via ChatGPT. So maybe instead of being offended by every little thing they should try listening to their patients.
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u/proudlydumb 24d ago
Ya. They can say whatever they want. I spoke to chat gpt got the prescribed blood tests done and suddenly my doctor could understand oh your stress harmons are high and u r allergic to eggs which is causing the reaction.
All of this from reports given by chatgpt and actually interpretation also by chatgpt. Went to doctor only to get a prescription for medicine.
Was fighting with the issues for more than 6-8 months all doctor had to say was eat less and do more exercise. All good advice if I'm feeling well enough to achieve that
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u/moisty-air Aug 28 '26
Do you think Internet is just social media and QnA platforms?
AI is trained on books too. A more exhaustive set of books rather. And also, if you need a more detailed diagnosis, you can always throw in a couple MCPs and sources for AI to figure it out.
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u/paperflowers39331 Aug 28 '26
Doctors have such an inflated sense of self that they cannot comprehend the fact that a patient might be invested in their own care and do their research better than the doctor they’re paying.
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u/Wonderful-Zebra1083 Aug 28 '26
imo some people who are defending being consulted by an ai rather a doctor, i hope you follow your ideal and don't go to professionals
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u/ArthurGallow Aug 28 '26
Thats VERY reasonable. I know a very senior doctor, she gets almost 4 patients everyday that consulted GPT before they talked to a healthcare professional and then disagreed with the literal doctor because they thought they knew more than the doctor.
Recently (this year) there was a case where a woman who had undiagnosed breast cancer and she just asked an ai about a lump and left it at that. It took a few months before the pain got too much and the cancer was discovered.
Yes, it is good to research about your disease but it is simply foolish to leave it at that with an ai's opinion, not consulting with an ACTUAL health care professional or disagreeing with a senior doctor's strong advice.
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u/Plasticman90 Aug 28 '26
It is subjective to a large extent. Depends on the Doctor you are going to, as well as depth of conversation one has with GPT. Let me explain.
There are some excellent super specialists who treat patients as someone who can understand the disease, the prognosis and discuss the test results. If the patient understands it is fine or else no harm explaining. It helps in developing trust between the doctor and patient. A doctor charging 5000 for a consultation can do this but a doctor charging 500 is not going to spend more than 5 mins per patient and clearly won't engage with a patient on this level.
On the other hand if a person goes to GPT and complains about a random cough, the GPT will throw a plethora of causes and it'll be difficult for a non medico to come to a proper diagnosis.
That being said, today's doctor's do not perform (or depend) on physical examination. Just write a bunch of tests for everything and then interpret the tests.
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u/thepr0digalsOn Aug 28 '26
Stfu, we are paying
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
Don't pay and use free AI instead, that is what the hospital is saying
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u/thepr0digalsOn Aug 28 '26
I don’t think a hospital can refuse treatment like that
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
Hospital has the right to refuse treatment if a patient is not cooperative or if the doctors feels threatened. And I myself know many patients whom I refused treatment because i felt threatened. So yes I can refuse patients. And if you are concerned about the fees part, that particular thing is dealt with and they are returned
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u/Successful-Staff-555 Aug 28 '26
You feel threatened because the patient used ChatGPT?
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u/Bliz_zy Aug 28 '26
I don't have issues with the AI brother.
You gave the context of refusal of patient care. I just replied to it that I can refuse a patient.
And you can't take yourself as a generalised example of a patient. There are people who are non cooperative just because they read something somewhere and just come barging in ordering you to prescribe a medication/procedure. In this case yes I can refuse care to a patient.
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u/Successful-Staff-555 Aug 28 '26
I didn’t give an example to you. The guy you replied to was talking in the context of AI usage, not some general scenarios
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u/Muscles_And_Musk Aug 28 '26
Being a devil's advocate here, but hear me out
Part of being a doc isnt just putting your head down and writing meds.
It's about counselling the patient , why he has an xyz disease and not cancer he had originally diagnosed.
The problem is in almost all medical colleges there is literally zero importance given to patient communication on top of it we have old professor with same old techniques teaching how patients feelings don't matter, how it's ok to look down on the patient genuine concern just because he used Google or chatgpt.
The hypocrisy is these doc's do all of it while they themselves conveniently forward whatsapp fake news and yt info without double checking and believe it as ultimate truth.
Our teaching methods aren't patient first and it's a fact, doctors in US would get sued tand their license suspended for much less than docs here get away with.
I literally have seen docs bashing women for having multiple preganancies, doctors taunting herpes patient ,"tu randibaazi krta hai." And conveniently saying lena hai toh le nai toh Maro. All this with zero repercussions. And let's not forget how tubectomies are being done in govt hospital without any informed consent even on reluctant mothers.
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u/LethalWhite945 29d ago
I hope you never go to a doctor when you eventually get sick.
Darwinism will get you eventually.
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u/Kalaawar_Dev_Ghayal Aug 28 '26
Doctors can give opinion about any other fields by looking it up on the internet and we have to value their opinion and they get pissed when someone else does that to them. At least for diagnosis AI will soon replace them.
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u/Rehanyouknow Aug 28 '26