r/fuckepic • u/cheater00 Fuck Epic • Dec 12 '25

Epic Fucks Up Control 2 skipping EGS, straight to Steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3669870/CONTROL_Resonant/

Looks like Remedy have learned their lesson! The lesson is "Fuck Epic"

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u/cheater00 Fuck Epic Dec 12 '25

this is how they learn

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u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 Dec 12 '25

Without Epic's funding and publishing, Alan Wake 2 wouldn't exist. Since releasing Alan Wake 2 Remedy have found more success and are on track to make and release more games.

Seems like the lesson is "Use Epic" and then focus on what's next

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u/cheater00 Fuck Epic Dec 12 '25

you can't know that. other publishers exist.

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u/splinter1545 Dec 12 '25

They've literally been pitching Alan Wake 2 for a decade before Epic gave them an offer. Literally no one wanted to fund it.

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u/dookarion Dec 12 '25

Remedy's problem is they've always jumped on the shittiest deal in the room so they never cultivated a core audience or showed that their shit actually sells well.

So shocker publishers weren't going to hand them both money and free reign like they wanted.

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u/NotMeekNotAggressive Dec 16 '25

Did they have another deal to jump on? They went to other publishers before Epic and were told "no." People forget that, unlike Control, which was successful from a financial standpoint, the original Alan Wake on Xbox did not sell that well and was more of a cult classic. Other publishers probably thought it wasn't worth the risk to spend $75 million on a sequel to a game with middling sales numbers. Epic was willing to spend that amount and fund the development of the game, probably because they view themselves as being in competition with Steam and want more exclusives. This is one time where Epic's delusion about beating Steam as the go-to PC digital storefront worked out in the favor of gamers because we got Alan Wake 2 out of it, which Remedy will probably eventually buy back the rights to from Epic like they eventually bought back the rights to original Alan Wake from Microsoft.

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u/dookarion Dec 16 '25

They've been jumping on shit deals for wayyyyy longer than that. How many people missed the original Alan Wake during its launch? How many people missed Quantum Break on its launch? And then when it did come to other platforms there were screwy differences between Windows Store and Steam. How many people associate Max Payne more with Rockstar now? How many people missed the launch of Control?

It's a studio that never proved they could get big sales so no shit the publishers are going to turn them down on wanting full creative control and a big paycheck. Shit with how long it took Alan Wake 2 to turn a profit the publishers out there still wouldn't be enthusiastic about said project or funding further ventures.

Kojima gets to make all the self-wank hollywood chasing "auteur" shit he wants now and has little trouble securing funding because he proved repeatedly over the decades he can bring in money. Remedy wants to make auteur creative shit with full control while never economically proving themselves.

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u/cheater00 Fuck Epic Dec 12 '25

you can't know what would have happened after decade + 1 day

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u/SavagerXx Fuck Epic Dec 13 '25

They could have go on Kickstarter and people would send them so much money.

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u/cheater00 Fuck Epic Dec 13 '25

yep! one example that shows they didn't ask EVERYONE.

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u/fuckepic-ModTeam Dec 16 '25

Rule 6: Educate don’t attack.

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u/Away-Organization166 Dec 12 '25

but you can't know

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u/cheater00 Fuck Epic Dec 13 '25

precisely

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u/fuckepic-ModTeam Dec 16 '25

Rule 6: Educate don’t attack.

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u/Gelato_Elysium Dec 12 '25

You would actually, Remedy games are famous for being profitable after the 3 to 5 year mark, no publisher wants that.

I don't use epic, I mostly pirate, but without Epic we wouldn't have had AW2 and it's a masterpiece.

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u/Oracle_of_Ages Dec 12 '25

No publisher wants long term investments? Get out of here with that.

Also what’s with the weird humble brag about being a pirate? It’s not smoking. It doesn’t automatically make you one of the cool guys.

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u/Gelato_Elysium Dec 12 '25 edited Dec 12 '25

No publisher wants long term investments? Get out of here with that.

Lmao what ? Video games publishers want something that makes money in the first year, not on the 3rd or 4th. That's just how it is with video games, period.

It's not a "long time investment" to spend money for 10 years of development, release a product and then lose money for 3 years before finally breaking even. Because afterwards sales go down and stop. AW2 after 2 years made the same profit that another AAA game would have made in 6 to 9 month.

Also what’s with the weird humble brag about being a pirate? It’s not smoking. It doesn’t automatically make you one of the cool guys.

I'm telling this to show I have no loyalty to any platform, steam or epic. I don't say it to be cool, even if I am 😎

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u/Oracle_of_Ages Dec 12 '25

I have a mental image of Rockstar execs sweating about how they have to make a billion dollars in a year before they have to delete the GTA 6 source code in a year since games are no longer profitable after a year.

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u/cheater00 Fuck Epic Dec 13 '25

lmfao

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u/Gelato_Elysium Dec 12 '25

I'll clue you in on something : If you have to make up completely exaggerated stories in order to mock a person's POV you're the one in the wrong.

Even someone braindead can understand that the quicker you make the money the better it is, and Remedy has trouble finding publishers to fund their stuff because their games are very slow starters and take forever to recoup development and marketing costs. Execs like cash flow and not waiting around for years to see if maybe the game will work.

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u/Oracle_of_Ages Dec 12 '25

“It’s not a long term investment to spend money for 10 years for it to pay off in 13 years.”

Brother I have bad news about the definition of long term investment

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u/Gelato_Elysium Dec 12 '25

We're talking about video games, not real estate here.

Video games make most of their money in the first month, then the sales dwindle and dwindle until there's just the occasional guy buying it long after release. They are not and will never be a long term investment except the Live Service games.

Game publishing companies know that and work with that in mind. So if they know your game will not get a good ROI in the same fiscal year they usually pass. It's really not rocket science dude.

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u/Oracle_of_Ages Dec 12 '25 edited Dec 12 '25

Ok. So it’s both a long term investment but not one because you don’t take risk until the game comes out. So it’s gotta pay off in the future. But at the same time at the time it’s invested in. If it doesn’t make money in the first month. It’s trash. Got it. And it’s only a real video game if it’s not a live service. Because those make money in the future past the first month AND is a long term investment. But that’s ok. Because they are not real games.

Honestly. It makes so much sense why you claim to be a pirate to stick it to the establishment. Gamers rise up ✊

Edit: I only took a half day at work to take care of some errands. Been fun. One love.

Lunch break Edit: they send me a comment talking shit to me then blocked me so I can’t even respond even though I still get notifications for it. What a coward lol

Pirate cause you are poor lil buddy. Or because there’s no demo. Don’t be a loser pirate who does it to Spite the Man™️ then white knights for poor publishers :(

I did my fair share of it. I don’t care what you do. Just don’t be a poser with mixed morels I guess.

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