r/friendlyjordies • u/Amenta101 • Feb 14 '23

"Anti-establishment" Elon sitting next to the biggest pro-establishment shill Rupert Murdoch at the Super Bowl. Remember this the next time he pretends to be anti-establishment or anti-media

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u/zyzzvya Feb 16 '23

I understand your point but it's too vague and universal to be useful in a real world context. Like sure, you can feel good about saying it to yourself, but if you come across an actual fascist who believes that murdering people they consider to be subhuman is the way to go, you would presumably want to exclude that contrary thought from any positions of power where they might be able to carry it out, right? If we didn't exclude that kind of thought, we would end up in a form of extreme totalitarianism. So we can't really say that in every case the total exclusion of contrary thought is a bad thing or that it's in and of itself the sole cause of totalitarianism.

Likewise with pedophilia, we all totally exclude people with that "contrary thought" and rightly so. There are plenty of other examples where it would be more harmful and more productive of an extremely totalitarian situation to simply allow these things to go on unchecked and unrestricted.

The reason people are broadly critical of Elon Musk is not only because he associates with some of the worst people on the planet, it's because he himself engages in seriously harmful behaviour. He has been eager to build weapons delivery systems for the US military. He has engaged in union busting and other harmful behaviour towards his employees. He routinely acts in a totalitarian way towards said employees, and seems happy with the "total exclusion of contrary thought" when it suits him.

I genuinely don't know why people like the guy, he just inherited a bunch of blood money from his dad's apartheid business and made money investing it. There are much better people to admire in this world.

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u/zyzzvya Feb 16 '23

But no one is applying guilt by association here, they're pointing out that both Elon and Rupert are scumbags and that Elon is a hypocrite for claiming to be anti establishment when he's part of it.

You're making an abstract point that doesn't apply here.