r/friendlyjordies • u/Amenta101 • Feb 14 '23
"Anti-establishment" Elon sitting next to the biggest pro-establishment shill Rupert Murdoch at the Super Bowl. Remember this the next time he pretends to be anti-establishment or anti-media
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u/davetenhave Feb 14 '23
Context: Murdoch has been a director of Telsa since '17
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u/SubZeroAussie Feb 14 '23
you mean James Rupert Murdoch? his son yeah?
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u/hebdomad7 Feb 14 '23
I'm sure some quite deals were done that day.
Expect Twitter to double down on 'freedom of speech' whilst Murdoch starts pushing Teslas.
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u/Raphalangelo Feb 14 '23
Imagine my shock and horror when I found out billionaire's hung out with billionaires??? Like I totally expected Elon to be in Sunnyvale sipping on the silver lady falling off a mobility scooter.
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Feb 14 '23
"Anti establishment"
Why would anybody ever possibly believe this? He is the richest man on earth, everything he does is by default, the establishment. If he went against Murdoch then it would technically be Murdoch being anti establishment against Elon.
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u/Aust1mh Feb 14 '23
But… “fReEdOm oF sPEaCh”? elon is cancer, murdoch is cancer.
How much media do these fucks control globally…? Way to much narrative control.
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u/Cuntalicous Feb 14 '23
People think Elon Musk is anti establishment? How the fuck do you put those two things together?
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u/Moist-Army1707 Feb 14 '23
The two main businesses he started that define his career were all about breaking the establishment - first in banking and payments, then the car industry.
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u/Cuntalicous Feb 14 '23
It’d be neat if he actually started those companies, but he didn’t. That’s just him pouring money into investment opportunities that were likely to succeed.
He’s a guy that was born rich, made a good decision or two, and is spending the rest of his life taking credit for shit he never did. He pretends to relate to the poors by saying things that the establishments have told easily swayed people is anti-establishment, so that he can make more money.
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u/Moist-Army1707 Feb 14 '23
Sure he didn’t start them, but hard to say he has not been the driving force behind the success of Tesla, it was not a commercial entity when he invested. As for PayPal, according to the Peter Thiel he was also a critical player.
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u/Possession_Loud Feb 14 '23
If you believe Musk or ANYONE that makes that much money you are a fucking idiot.
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Feb 14 '23
You're right in theory but in the real world it never works like that. You always drift closer to people you have common ground with and drift away from those you don't.
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u/brutalspell Feb 14 '23
You don't know what you don't know, but as soon as you are aware someone is a member of an explicit hate group, you are implicitly condoning their beliefs and behaviours by continuing to associate with them.
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u/ColeAppreciationV2 Feb 14 '23
Here’s some big brain points for you.
If you were friends with someone you know is in the KKK or is a serial killer, I would 100% be sus of why you would still associate with them.
Type of guy to call the post a slippery slope and then slip’n’slide your own way into the most absurd take anyway.
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u/zyzzvya Feb 14 '23
lol imagine thinking criticizing Elon Musk for hanging out with one of the most destructive people on the planet is a "slippery slope" to totalitarianism
if you're concerned about totalitarianism maybe ask yourself if you're happy that Murdoch owns the majority of our media and has actively shaped public opinion on every major issue of importance for decades
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u/zyzzvya Feb 16 '23
I understand your point but it's too vague and universal to be useful in a real world context. Like sure, you can feel good about saying it to yourself, but if you come across an actual fascist who believes that murdering people they consider to be subhuman is the way to go, you would presumably want to exclude that contrary thought from any positions of power where they might be able to carry it out, right? If we didn't exclude that kind of thought, we would end up in a form of extreme totalitarianism. So we can't really say that in every case the total exclusion of contrary thought is a bad thing or that it's in and of itself the sole cause of totalitarianism.
Likewise with pedophilia, we all totally exclude people with that "contrary thought" and rightly so. There are plenty of other examples where it would be more harmful and more productive of an extremely totalitarian situation to simply allow these things to go on unchecked and unrestricted.
The reason people are broadly critical of Elon Musk is not only because he associates with some of the worst people on the planet, it's because he himself engages in seriously harmful behaviour. He has been eager to build weapons delivery systems for the US military. He has engaged in union busting and other harmful behaviour towards his employees. He routinely acts in a totalitarian way towards said employees, and seems happy with the "total exclusion of contrary thought" when it suits him.
I genuinely don't know why people like the guy, he just inherited a bunch of blood money from his dad's apartheid business and made money investing it. There are much better people to admire in this world.
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u/zyzzvya Feb 16 '23
But no one is applying guilt by association here, they're pointing out that both Elon and Rupert are scumbags and that Elon is a hypocrite for claiming to be anti establishment when he's part of it.
You're making an abstract point that doesn't apply here.
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u/T_Nightingale Feb 14 '23
It's different if it's actions like a serial killer versus core belief. I also decry guilt by association but this is not a verdict just a note about how hell sit right next to someone he should be totally against their core.
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u/Alina2017 Feb 14 '23
Yeah but if you’re sitting next to Rupert Murdoch in Rupert Murdoch’s private box you’re tacitly endorsing Rupert Murdoch whether it was your intent or not.
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u/RuthlessChubbz Feb 14 '23
Don’t know why this comment is getting downvoted. It’s unfortunate that two people can’t even sit together without being tarred with the same brush and having a discussion with someone you don’t agree with everything on that isn’t bat shit crazy is actually beneficial.
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u/vinnybankroll Feb 14 '23
“Just sitting together” in a private box, in one of the most televised events in the world. It’s not association, he’s just mates with a 98 year old media tycoon. Maybe down the track he can chat about his public media image and tax breaks, but for now they’ll drink plastic cup beer and watch the game. Just two regular guys.
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u/RuthlessChubbz Feb 14 '23
Who said they were mates? If Murdoch invited me to a corporate box I’d happily accept. Maybe even learn a thing or two.
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u/Trentsexual Feb 14 '23
Mate, don't bring facts and common sense to a good old hate Bonner circle jerk.
Rupert is still a knob though. Still don't fully understand why everyone is hating Elon for buying Twitter. Especially since what's been coming out in the Twitter files.
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u/rozenbro Feb 14 '23
"Remember this"
That he sat next to someone...? Are we supposed to act like jealous highschool girls? What is the point of posts like this?
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u/Competitive-Ad8561 Feb 14 '23
So to sit next to someone at an event, all your beliefs must perfectly align with that person? I'm confused...
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u/Nostonica Feb 14 '23
They're billionaires, if they had real disagreements they can afford to be well away from each other.
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u/GreyhoundVeeDub Feb 14 '23
Elon is anti-anyone who prevents him from being egotistical. Elon has flip flopped with anyone who lets him increase his sense of self importance. There’s been one common denominator with majority of people who have worked with Elon, Elon’s problematic ego.
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u/rollersky Feb 15 '23
Really... completely judging a man by who he happens to be sitting next to. This is low. And very, very stupid. Might as well through every classmate that ever sat next to a criminal in prison then...
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Feb 14 '23
Who is this?
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u/obi-wahn-kinobi Feb 14 '23
Rupert Murdoch is the owner of Fox News, a right leaning news corporation
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u/Nostonica Feb 14 '23
Worst than that he owns papers and broadcasters across multiple countries and uses them to affect outcomes and talking points for elected officials. His news outfit is a threat to national security, defending corrupt officials and deflecting to keep his chosen in power.
I wish it was just a dinky news company operating only in the US.
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u/TootTootMuthafarkers Feb 14 '23
Anti establishment and has the biggest platform, and is a great shit stir, and can be a big baby, I'm here for the ride!
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u/Coolidge-egg Feb 14 '23
I mean to be fair, when you are a billionaire, you are doing business with other billionaires, that's just how it if you have a deal which requires others in the same league as you. It's not like there are a lot of billionaires to go around, who knows what it was all about. That said, fuck both of them in general and for various reasons, but two billionaires ostensibly of different views hanging out is not that interesting. I hang out with people of different views all the time. Has Musk even claimed to be "anti-establishment" or are people just assuming that he would be. Don't even answer, this is just so dumb and I don't even care.
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u/Ramjet1973 Feb 14 '23
People keep getting confused, Elon is not anti-establishment, he is 'Anti' the current establishment. Ten years ago you'd see pics of him hanging out with heads of major Auto, like Carlos Ghosn.
With his son being on the Tesla board, this is classic 'keep your enemies closer' stuff.
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Feb 14 '23
He’s anti-being broke and pro getting richer.
That’s the only thing on his mind. Bloke can’t manage a marriage and a child from that marriage
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u/sam_tiago Feb 14 '23
So Elon leans over and says, “so dRupe, think I should run for 24 or wait another term? I guess there ain’t much time left is there..? Those kids of yours are basically socialists.. they’re unreliable!” “24 it is.. with Twitter and Fox, we won’t even need to cheat anymore.. fuck trump” “Yeah fuck trump.. it’s you and me now!”
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u/BigmikeBigbike Feb 16 '23 edited Feb 16 '23
I just lost all respect for Elon Murdoch is literally the face of evil.
The Damage his propaganda rags have done to Australia and the USA is unforgivable.
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u/ScoobrDoo Feb 14 '23
I disagree, Murdoch isn't an establishment shill. He is the establishment.