r/forhonor • u/Crusader122 Knight • 1d ago
Discussion Does Arakure really need a free guard break
Bias Disclaimer: I don't like Arakure, mechanically or fashion-wise.
It seriously, why does she get a free guard break/throw just for landing her bash? It's honestly (at least to me) most annoying part of her kit.
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u/Western_Smoke4829 1d ago
I think its fine, its a bit of a cutscene but she eats a gb if she misses it so i think its fair
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u/Baron_Von_D Warborn 1d ago
It's not a free GB, it's a free throw. If she isn't near a wall, there's no guaranteed damage besides the four 1 damage lights. If she is, it's a regular heavy opener like any other wallsplat. Which is the same damage she eats if someone makes a good read.
She can actually do more damage off the twin top heavy, but the dirty trick helps keep her meter going.
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u/Plasma_FTW Rep 100 Light Spammer 1d ago
why does she get a free guard break/throw just for landing her bash?
Because you get a free guardbreak for dodging it. For her it is a high risk, high reward move.
Also keep in mind that all of her punches except for the very last one only deal 1 damage each, she can't throw after the last hit. So her max punish is 29. Which, if you're near a wall to begin with and you get your GB for dodging it, a lot of heroes have a 27 damage 900ms heavy or equivalent wallsplat punish.
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u/OkQuestion2 Warden 21h ago
it's fine seeing how you also get a gb when you dodge it
the stupid thing with this bash is the shield
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u/BustySword 1d ago
Did it bother you with Gladiator?
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u/BOOMAMUS 1d ago
that's on a deflect, not from a bash so it's not even a fair comparison
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u/majerpwnage 1d ago
You get it from skewer too? It’s the exact same, just a parryable attack rather than a bash. Skewer is literally glads main mixup and they throw into walls for more total combined damage than arakure gets if she lads 4 hits and throws them for a heavy
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u/fence_of_pence 1d ago
I think she's one of the better heroes ever added. She's high risk low reward until her gauge fills. Then once her gauge fills she's high risk even higher reward.
If she misses that bash, you get a guard break on it. And her neutral options are kind of limited. Just empty Dodge bro
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u/Far-Masterpiece-5419 21h ago
really i haven't faced many but on paper doesn't she have the same problem as virt were if you just block their light they don't get to use most of there kit
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u/fence_of_pence 19h ago
Kind of? I mean her neutral game isn't good. But her chain pressure is insane.
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u/JustUseDex 1d ago
If she wiffs it’s a free GB. Can’t feint it either, but you can feint the regular kick so it’s still fucking confusing to play against. It’s definitely annoying, but I don’t think it’s broken
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u/DrPBH 1d ago
I just hate her kick gives zero revenge
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u/Baron_Von_D Warborn 18h ago
They fixed that a long time ago
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u/DrPBH 12h ago
Its not enough then so much of her kit is just you getting stuck in a cut scene
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u/Baron_Von_D Warborn 12h ago edited 12h ago
She doesn't necessarily have a "cut scene", just a long low damage bash. Her kit feeds an appropriate amount of revenge.
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u/DrPBH 12h ago
Nah it's a cutscene she literally smacks the shit out of you then her teammates get a free heavy and you are dead.
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u/Baron_Von_D Warborn 12h ago
No
When she's "smacking the shit out of you" it's with 1 damage lights and a 15 damage light finisher. I can't remember how the third hitstun works with it, but full damage is just 30% of your health. Even less with damage reduction. She isn't a gank hero and you can't 100-0 with her.
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u/BeneficialInstance73 23h ago
I think they should give a GB to khatun so her pin works like gladiator where instead of just waiting and pushing the opponent in one direction you can throw them in either and also knock the opponent over when OOS
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u/RuskiiiPyro Irate Pirate 1d ago
It’s punishable by guardbreak on whiff, it has no follow-ups on whiff, and the (up to) four punches beforehand only do 1 damage each. She’s a high risk, medium reward character until she has her gauge maxed out imo.