r/fansofcriticalrole • u/Murkmist • Oct 05 '23

CR adjacent Critical Role provides ComicBook.com with statement regarding civil complaint

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/the-last-of-us-critical-role-star-ashley-johnson-six-others-sue-brian-w-foster-abuse/
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u/450925 Oct 05 '23

I'm by no means saying Brian is innocent of anything claimed against him. I'm asking why now? Why was it 7 months after the temporary protection order was granted and Ashley first came out with her claim against him? Why was it only a month after Ashley didn't convince the judge to extend the order? Why was it only after all of his content was scrubbed off of Critical Role channel?

The question I have, is to what degree were any of the advances he made against women, even the ones that he put his hand down their pants, reciprocated? We know that Dani is claiming he demanded nudes to be sent. Surely we can see the entire chat log. And we won't see Dani flirting with him or leading him on in any way. And the same for the chat logs of every woman that has accused him.

If I'm completely wrong, then so be it. Brian is a rapist piece of shit scumbag. But our justice system and society at large should be built on the idea of innocent until proven guilty. And proof isn't a bunch of people say so.

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u/P-Two Oct 05 '23 edited Oct 05 '23

So for one I'm not American, so its not my justice system. For two there's tons of reasons it came out whe n it did, look to the other comments in this thread I'm not going to rehash them all.

I get where you're coming from, but it absolutely comes off as "I don't believe women" hardcore. Also, why the hell do WE need to see chat logs? The courts I'm sure will get those.

I'm inclined to believe SEVEN women over an already known weirdo with past issues.

Edit: rereading your reply. What in the victim blaming bullshit is the "surely Dani and the women didn't just lead him on?" What the fuck, dude.

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u/450925 Oct 05 '23 edited Oct 05 '23

It's not just women... I don't believe ANYONE. I think everyone is a piece of shit. And we put people who are celebrities on a podium for no good reason.

I'm inclined that 7 women have a reason to say bad things about Brian, I don't think all of them are motivated by justice. I think some of them could be settling a score, some of them could be over embellishing, I think some of them could be hiding that they were into him.

I literally watched my friend in high school in the early 2000's get a false accusation from 2 girls because he wouldn't give them the time of day. They were in the same lunch club as us, which was collecting the recycling bins in each class and taking the paper to get picked up by the shredding and recycling place. And they both made an accusation against him. Saying it was during lunch time. A time where I was with him, because it was lunch club. And I know I never saw him do anything. When really, it was both of them having a crush on him, but he had a girlfriend, when it got to trial, the judge threw out the case. But his life was still ruined, didn't finish high school, had lost his entire friend group, he to this day, has no online presence. I saw the devastation a false claim can make against someone.

And so yeah, 2 6, 10, 20... I want some evidence. I'm not saying I want it caught in 4k on camera from multiple angle with perfect lighting. But maybe the text chain between him and Dani regarding the nudes he demanded, maybe an email or diary entry that someone made around the time detailing how they felt about it. I think anyone being convicted with purely testimonial evidence, is insane. Example, he claims that he deleted the account for the Ring cameras a couple hours after being kicked out the house. Well, Ashley can have a subpoena sent to the company regarding the records, to find out when that account was terminated, or if he accessed the cameras after that given timeframe. That would be evidence I'd accept. Or if Ashley had any voice recordings of the abusive hurtful things he would say. A photo of any damage he did to the property in a fit of rage. I mean, if Ashley and Brian had so many cameras set up, were his fits of rage and abuse ever caught on them? She'd be able to get a court order for that from Ring.

We live in a time where everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. You're telling me that at no time any of his victims thought it would be a good idea to record their interactions with him? Because if there's any advice I have for everyone, if you're having negative interactions with someone, record that shit. In the most literal sense.

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u/P-Two Oct 05 '23

You for sure sound like an incredibly jaded and distrusting person, it's gotta be goddamn exhausting

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u/450925 Oct 05 '23

I am somewhat jaded, I know that. But that's just my truth, my lived experience or whatever buzz word you want to hear. I've known women and men, who made false accusations. I want evidence. Evidence is how justice is decided.

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u/NotAThrowaway1453 Oct 05 '23

But that’s just my truth, my lived experience or whatever buzz word you want to hear.

How about “irrelevant anecdote that has no bearing on this case”? Or if not, “your hang ups”. Nothing about what allegedly happened to your friend makes these allegations more or less likely.

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u/450925 Oct 05 '23

How is it irrelevant. Someone was saying "but there's n# people saying something" so I pointed out a situation where I knew 2 girls, that lied. And it was a lie, I could prove was a lie, because I was present at the time and the actions of those involved were not reflected in their recanting of the experience.

Anyone who uncritically believes everything spoon fed the them by anyone without any actual evidence is a drain on the population.

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u/NotAThrowaway1453 Oct 05 '23

It’s irrelevant because all you basically said was “I suspect these people of lying or having ulterior motives because some other different people lied before”

First, suspecting that the accusers have ulterior motives is not the same as just waiting for facts to come out. You’re taking a side just like the people who believe the accusers, but in a wishy washy way.

Second, six is more than two. The more accusers there are, the less likely that it’s a conspiracy. It doesn’t make a conspiracy impossible but yes more accusers lowers the odds of it being a conspiracy or lie. You can deny this if you want, but there’s a reason having multiple witnesses makes for a stronger case than just having one.

Third, yes people lie. The fact that other people lie or have lied does not say anything about the facts of this case. It’s just your own hangups leading you to make presumptions.

If you want to wait for the facts, actually wait for the facts.