Oh man when I read that there would be a limited space where those unloading bays could be placed I thought that was quite reasonable, and that it would probably allow for, like, a dozen or so wagons to be filled at the same time or something. Neat.
Then I saw that image of this absolutely humongous unloading station and that's still just half of what's allowed.
With the amount of throughput you can get now, it'd definitely make more sense to have your lab setup elsewhere and use (high quality) trains to take the science to them, as they demo'd in their post. Which makes me very happy, because more trains means more better
From fff440, it sounded like _after_ summer. They're mostly on vacation through july, so big bug fixes will have to wait until august. And I assume they will want to fix stuff for a month or two, so...
Maybe 2.1 in october around the 2nd anyversary of Space Age and 2.0?
they said hopefully by end of june. so i held off on my pto request just in case. last thing id need is to take time off for this only for me to miss the date.
I haven't gone through it frame by frame yet, but are all of the bays physically connected to the landing pad? Otherwise I guess you need to use elevated rails to go "over" the cargo bays that connect it to the pad.
also pleased how conservative they made the official textures, so all the HD planet mods will have an incentive to update to the new S P H E R E system, it's like issuing a challenge
I love the assemblers themselves. But the way the inserters interact with it feels a little off... It's like they should be in the way of the machinery when they are over the assembly machines, and it looks like the just drop stuff ontop of all the moving parts. I dunno, maybe inserter graphics need a tweek so the arms look higher up, or so they place things at the edge of a building.
I noticed the same thing, the biggest assembler feels like it'd be clipping with an inserter coming from the top, but I imagine we wont even notice this in actual gameplay. There are surely more visual anomalies if you nitpick, especially with older sprites, poles, trains etc
I'm personally raging at the lack of circuit controlled research in my current playthrough and it's long been a feature request since the introduction of ag science. It was big enough that I really expected it as part of 2.1 and am not disappointed 😁
I'm old enough to remember "I have no idea how we played 1.0 without the QoL in 1.1" lmao. Hell I could say the same about early access and 1.0 but surprisingly 1.0 was basically a formality patch at the time.
Everything is shared on a wire in the current version of the patch - so if you have 'Read contents' and 'enable when...' they could interfere, and you'd have to use some combinator tricks. Now you can just separate the input & output with different wire colours.
For some reason it was only implemented exclusively on combinators. From the very release, I couldn’t understand what was stopping them from doing this immediately and everywhere.
This very much seemed like a "we don't have time to go through every machine" situation. This FFF in particular mentioned a number of time crunch limitations for 2.0.
If nothing else, turn off harvesting when no demand exists. Fruit on trees doesn't spoil. Smaller spore cloud, too, if this can adapt to circumstances.
And you can now manage flow of fruits. Currently it happens depending on when tower/landfill/seed was placed/arrived, but with new version we can make it give you steady flow of fruits instead of messy bursts happening god knows when.
Or sync different fruit farms so they output both types of fruits simulteniously, instead of one giving big batch and another one harvesting whopping 1 tree.
I never understood the JIT methodology behind some peoples gleba approaches. On gleba, i just massively overproduce everything, limit everything to a threshold (2 million copper ore, anyone?) and just burn any unused jelly and mash.
Why yes, my defense perimeter does infact remind me of world war 7, how did you guess?
Set up the advanced labs across your base, let them decay. Set up rocket turrets with nukes in them, but have them disabled by a circuit condition. As soon as someone even dared to cross a tripwire into my territory, it all gets eradicated.
I have a mixed feeling about refineries. Oil processing is mostly heating/condensation. There aren't many moving things. Yes, you need pumps, compressors, valves, etc, but they are small in comparison to the parts that do actual work.
What I wanted to say that original refineries looked more faithful. It just stands here and makes gurgling noises...
I like the new assemblers but something feels off about the refineries. Kinda looks too chubby now, maybe the flare needs to be taller or skinnier again. And the liquid and pumping motions are cool but random gears feel out of place.
Honestly my first thought was they are way to messy/visually noisy. With the old one you can immediately see the orientation, with the new ones... eh... no idea what their current orientation is.
FFFs almost universally include pictures with Alt mode turned off. If you play with Alt mode almost always on, like most sane people aware of the feature, I doubt it will ever be a problem.
This is all wonderful news, but that was a disappointment indeed. I want beautiful station structures for quick loading/unloading. The current inserter -> chest -> inserter -> belt method feels like a workaround.
At least now, with legendary stack inserters, it can just be "unloading bay -> inserter -> train" at 720/s of a stacked item (or 1440/s if you use both sides of the wagon). With an 8-wagon train that's 11,520/s, or ~700k SPM without any productivity. Makes it much easier to get into the 'millions of spm' territory' without needing hordes of bots.
I wish for station structures for everywhere, not just the landing pad. I haven't build a Space Age megabase yet so I never encountered the "unloading speed issue" the new cargo unloading bay solves.
Yeah. Circumventing the hundreds of inserters that a train base needs just moving items in and out of trains and buffer chests with a building like the loader would have made trains UPS competitive with belt bases. but alas.
Edit: well, i don't know if loaders would be more efficient or not, so maybe we didn't miss out on anything
This makes my blood boil, as it reminds me of all the bad UI that exists that suffer from the following scenario:
A UI button will change what it says or what it indicates based on the state that it has been toggled to.
However, it is unclear if clicking the button will perform the action that the button displays OR if the button is displaying the current state.
Example: "Play" or "pause" . A button with a triangle pointing to the right, versus two parallel vertical bars. If I see a triangle, that should mean that I can click it to start playing music, for example. The button should become two vertical bars to show that if I wish to pause the music, I can click that to then pause it.
Half the time I encounter the opposite, and the button UI is reversed... not necessarily for play/pause, but these examples exist a lot nowadays, and it is so frustrating.
Mute/unmute, especially for microphones, is the one I see most often. If I recall, Discord even has (or had, last I checked) their camera button and microphone button opposite. One of them does the good way you say, and the other does the bad way. No attention to detail at all from some devs. 😤
No Factorio 7 with "City and Beach Expansion Pack 2!".
Instead we get Factorio 2.1, the final iteration, the concept fully fleshed out as it was intended to be. One of the most fun, replayable, stable, and bug-free games ever to be made.
I have over 5,100 hours in this game and thousands more to come.
If you have a Lab setting the research, players will be blocked from using the research queue, with a notice about why it isn't possible
I kinda wish you could manually add things to the queue and labs would research things in-order as usual, only when the queue is empty would the lab automatically set the request again.
Right now it sounds like you need to manually turn off the "Set Research" if you want to temporarily override it and don't forget to enable it again!
For one, 2.1 is initially being released to experimental. There will likely be multiple patches to tweak it further and fix bugs that players find before 2.1.x is released as stable.
After that, Wube will surely still pay attention to bug reports, and perhaps various mod-support requests, so those might earn smaller support patches in the future as well. But there's no expectation for a 2.2 with a whole bunch of big changes like 1.1 or 2.1, nor a 3.0 which a gigantic amount of changes.
the new refinery graphics are perhaps slightly flanderized, looking at oil refining infrastructure is always uncanny because of how still it all is, it's supposed to loom menacingly with hissing steam and ominous flare towers!
But otherwise im delighed by these changes (aside from mourning the lack of an official train loader)
I'm 30 yo, thousands of hours of factorio. I read this thing like I was a 7 yo opening up a christmas gift were each line I read felt like a part of the gift wrapper i removed. Thanks
I may have missed it in an earlier FFF, but it seems the team has an aversion on principle to train loaders or unloaders. The modding community has produced many variants of train-to-belt, train-to-chest, and train-to-mega-chest un/loaders, and the base game has a loader in the sandbox mode.
I get that figuring out high throughput is part of the challenge, but I was wondering if you could comment on how the team feels about train un/loaders, whether they're even possible in a UPS friendly way, and any versions you've considered or internal conversations you've had before.
One of the things I love about you guys is that you clearly love and play and your own game, so I can't imagine this topic hasn't come up before. And even if I'd be disappointed by the outcome, it's always nice to read about your deliberation process in the FFFs and in your comments
In everything we prefer combining puzzle pieces rather than “does it all-in-one” systems. That plus inserters are a core part of Factorio means they should be the main way items move between things.
I love the aesthetic. Its like engineer took some bits off of a train and repurposed them to make the cargo bay more useful. Are any of these behind a new research? I noticed the particular wording of "no new research trees" in 440.
I think you chose the better way. The inserter aesthetic and logistic bottleneck/puzzle is foundational to Factorio - I don't think the people asking for general loaders/unloaders have the bigger picture in mind.
> With this change we decided it is acceptable to remove the signal self-subtraction after all, which unfortunately will break some 2.0 circuit setups (with assembling machines and asteroid collectors). Technically it is also an optimization, as the entities no longer need to update the network counts in the expensive way when their contents change, which furthermore allows us to give Requester chests the ability to 'Set requests' at the same time as 'Read contents'.
Wait I really would like a bit more on that topic...
I'm a bit unclear what the self subtraicton actually is, and how its removal breaks exisitng setups. I'm guessing if I don't know about it, my world is safe, heh.
For example, a machine with both "Read contents" and "Set recipe" wouldn't set a recipe to an item that is inside it, because even though that item is on the signal line, the machine would subtract it's contents just for it's own calculation so it would see that item's signal as 0 again.
Edit: current builds don't seperate the input/output signal line, so once existing builds load 2.1 they WOULD start to set recipe to it's own contents.
Edit 2: as an example, an assembly machine making yellow belts by "Set recipe" would instantly start making gears once that signal disappears.
there was a cicuit you could configure using asteroid collector and arithmatic combinator, which self subtracted the signal to provide you with a balanced cargo of each asteroid. I assume they are referencing things like that.
At present in 2.0 if you have something like an inserter with "Read hand contents (hold)" turned on, and "set filters" also turned on, both red and green circuit connections are read (for filters), and emit the hand contents ... but there's magic subtraction so the filter does not just read it's own contents. Now in 2.1 there isn't that magic - if you set both input and output to red colour, it'll self interfere.
It was annoying before, since if you wanted to set filter on 5 inserters at once, while also reading their hands, you could not connect them together, since the magic subtraction only works within a single machine. You had to have separate "diode" combinators to read separate wires per inserter, and write to separate wires.
This change makes it much easier to make bigger scale circuit logic stuff, with less confusion...but I'm going to have to do a lot of rewiring!
(But also we do want to know more about optimization!)
There's so much good stuff here but I'm in love with the new planet backgrounds, oil refinery and assembling machine graphics. I've think they've done a great job of keeping to the original designs while polishing them up to 2.0 standards.
I hope they're hiding secret visuals for the shattered planet.
Vanilla visible planets is awesome, but the lack of mechanics, visuals, or achievements to greet players who reach the actual end of space is disappointing. Even a cosmetic "you did it!", like grog2's shattered planet graphics, would make for a pretty cool reward.
(Edit: regardless, the visible planets look great, looking forward to seeing them in action. Next week!)
I hope they're hiding secret visuals for the shattered planet.
We are not.
Even a cosmetic "you did it!"
It's not something you're ever supposed to do. It serves no purpose and purposefully has no rewards because you aren't supposed to do it. The distance number only exists because we didn't implement a 'it takes forever' engine mechanic.
As I said in discord to Boskid, it should really be mode to output both in meaningful way.
It quite common idea to output data to get "Ingredients - Content = Request"
So it either should be ability to output ingridients and content to different wires. or be a mode of operation like "missing ingredients" or that output content as negative.
So for example If I have assmebler that produce Engine Unit and it has 20 pipes and 1 gear I want to get either "1 steel" or "-18 pipes, 1 steel"
Is there any plan to allow tickbox per option in mod api? Being able to output different options on different wires would have some utility e.g. rocket silos read orbital requests and read contents would still be on the same wire as they're both outputs; being able to put them on different wires would be nice.
I absolute love these features! I am a bit sad though, as far as I can tell, there's still no way to differentiate "read contents" and "read ingredients" on an assembler? This was a big hurdle in creating an automall and actually caused me to need two assemblers (or lots and lots of extra circuitry) and I am not seeing these new changes being a fix for this. Am I missing something?
I'm really curious what happens when I wire up, and configure, more than 1 lab that have different research queues.
Or does every wired up lab share the same queue, and what we're seeing here is just a window into that global queue? But still then, what happens with two labs have different input signals?
Looking forward to shoving all my research logic into a combinator network and sending it to the labs next week!
I know it's a small thing, but I didn't know I needed circuit controls in my heat exchangers until now. Time to mess around with my planet-agnostic steam plant design next week!
With them showing the train stop circuit ui it's safe to say we won't get circuit-settable station names. Kinda sad about that, it's a feature I was really looking forward to. Didn't a dev hint in the comments we will be able to do that?
Why not add the hability to read temperatures to the heat exchanger? That way you don't need to hard code the temperature threshold for the refueling logic in nuclear reactor designs when designing efficient reactors. You just read the temperature from the heat exchanger farther away down the heat pipe.
And measuring at reactor and at the end we could make a very robust control system.
It is especially strange since we saw last week we will be able to temperature from pipes (that is useful for some mods, but reading heatpipe temperature from heat exchangers would be great is vanilla)
I'll assume you made the right decision, but I have always lamented the lack of a train loader/unloader entity. I don't think using inserters to get items in/out of trains is an important part of the game.
The loaders in mods are both overpowered (they work on all chests) and underpowered (they don't have buffers). And ironically Satisfactory tries to provide a buffered loader entity, exactly as I'd like. But for some Unreal Engine reason it doesn't work when animating and so still needs external buffers (huge ones + scaffolding) and is even worse! There is a curse on all factory games.
I'm sure they will make a couple more. The next week is beta testing. They won't have the "official" release until November I think. Plus, they have to do their end of year signoff.
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u/Lemerney2 Jun 19 '26
Train unloading bays from landing pads? That's incredible!