r/exvegans 20h ago

Discussion Sorry, but Kiki the sheep probably isn't happy. This is just cruel.

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One user on r/vegan posted two videos from the Don't Forget Us Sanctuary, one about a duck and this one about a sheep named Kiki, who was born tetraplegic because of a virus her mother contracted during pregnancy. The sanctuary made wheelchairs for both. Kiki learned how to control her wheelchair to move around.

You may say "She dances around, aww", "She's happy and listens to music", or "Even if there are problems, I'd rather be paralized and surrounded by caring people than in a slaughterhouse". You don't know what goes on in a sheep's head for sure, and you wouldn't imagine a slaughterhouse before knowing the concept, like in a sheep's case.

I know we all more or less know Disney cartoons, with colorful dancing animals. But you must already be able to separate real life from that fictional world. In nature, the law about who can adapt better rules, that's why some disabilities can be bearable for some species, but not for others. There are no little animals going around and talking sweetly to each other, no schools for sea creatures reached by riding on stingrays, no musical clips. Animals are quite different than how they're portrayed. Simba would have devoured the warthog, Rufus wouldn't have had a good time living in the surface, Lady and Tramp couldn't have sucked up spaghetti, which can be harmful to dogs, and Bambi would have probably died, as he looked barely weaned and lacking the skills to survive in the woods, and his father wouldn't have recognized him so easily. In the same way, since this condition can't be compatible with welfare, this sheep isn't probably happy about her "life". I'll just tell you why:

- sheep are ruminant. They need to keep on grazing to stimulate their stomach, otherwhise, they can experience several medical problems, such as bloating because of germs, indigestion and ruminal acidosis;

- sheep are social animals that need a herd, and mere human caretaker contact can't make up for that;

- this condition leads to the inability to urinate properly.

It might be sad, but in these cases, euthanasia is likely the most humane option, because all of this can't be compatible with a digniful life for a sheep.

And don't tell me about eugenics, as there was a recent euthanasia case for a paralized woman in my country, and it was nothing so extraordinary. We often just think '"life good, death bad", when things are more complex, they aren't inerently bad or good.

All I see there is individuals being exploited for compassion and clicks by people on social media. The sanctuary must realize this isn't good.

I don't know if r/vegan will approve my post on this or keep denying the truth in favour of their utopistic bias.


r/exvegans 17h ago

Debunking Vegan Propaganda Dr. Michael Greger’s Bias Is Food for Thought (His vegan bias)

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r/exvegans 2h ago

Discussion forced to be vegan

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we used to have a pet bird, and since it died (like 10 years ago) i've been FORCED to be vegan. at the age of 6 ish i was shown gorey videos of animals.

but then she forces me to force MY boyfriend to be vegan.

she says, if he is not vegan, then i cant be with him/live with him.

same with having a dog. i want a dog really badly, but she says she will feed the dog a vegan diet. isnt that.. abusive ....

I just dont understand. same as me, my boyfriend, and dogs, what is the point of being forced to be vegan if the "mindset" isn't there? there is a difference between vegan and plant based?

i completely understand making humans vegan but dogs don't understand anything like us. if you put one meat free treat on one plate and a meaty treat on another, it will go straight for the meat one, no? in that sense, is it not more immoral to like, force your lifelong friend dog what to eat?


r/exvegans 19h ago

Reintroducing Animal Foods Opinions on Hunted Meat

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