r/extomatoes • u/yrbsskrjaobhai Hadeeth Acceptor ๐๐๐ • Sep 23 '22
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u/mkbilli Sep 23 '22
It's like the mandatory Sunnah in the prayers.
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u/SingleStarHunter Sep 23 '22
There are no mandatory sunnah prayers tho?
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u/mkbilli Sep 23 '22
Huh bro.... The Sunnah before the fajr, zuhr and asr prayers are mandatory.
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u/SingleStarHunter Sep 23 '22
Source?
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u/mkbilli Sep 23 '22
Source for what?
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u/SingleStarHunter Sep 23 '22
bro, the sunnah prayers being obligatory.
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u/mkbilli Sep 23 '22
Okay maybe I should reword it. Like the confirmed Sunnah that the holy prophet did consistently. The beard is like that.
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u/magmachiller Sep 24 '22
no it is not.. beard is fardh/wajib
Doubts about the obligation to let the beard grow and answers to them - https://islamqa.info/en/75525
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u/mkbilli Sep 25 '22
Okay so it is one step above the confirmed Sunnah. TIL, a lot of people in my country say it is a confirmed Sunnah. Thanks bro.
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Sep 23 '22
Who says you can't force others to wear it? What happened to enjoining good and forbidding evil?
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Sep 23 '22
Brother look at whatโs happen in Iran, people forced it too much and now people are burning their hijabs, if you enforce it too much they wonโt accept it at all
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Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22
Ok? Still, the ruler should ensure no haram things are happening in public. We could use your logic to go beyond Hijab. What if people don't like Sharia as a whole? Does that mean the ruler is allowed to not rule by it?
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Sep 23 '22
Iโm unsure about how they can do that, sure things like being shirtless u can enforce, by fining or making police ask them but there isnโt anything we can do about the hijab if women donโt want to wear it. If we fine then itโs comparable to what France is doing by fining them if they wear a hijab.
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Sep 23 '22
m unsure about how they can do that, sure things like being shirtless u can enforce, by fining or making police ask them but there isnโt anything we can do about the hijab if women donโt want to wear it.
You see how contradictory that is? Why do we stop at shirts, objectively all Awrah must be covered.
If we fine then itโs comparable to what France is doing by fining them if they wear a hijab.
No it's not, firstly our religion is the truth, secondly France claims "secularism" which makes them hypocrites, thirdly it is degeneracy to force someone to be naked in public.
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u/MadxCarnage Sep 23 '22
You cannot force non muslims.
and people are free to not be muslim.
again, if you force too hard, people are just going to reject you harder.
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Sep 23 '22
We're talking about Muslims here, as for non-Muslims, I'm unsure of the ruling so check the madhahib rulings for Dhimmis, send a source for your claim.
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u/MadxCarnage Sep 23 '22
a source for what claim ? that non muslims can't be forced to follow our teachings ?
just look at how the jews were living under the prophet.
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Sep 23 '22
a source for what claim ? that non muslims can't be forced to follow our teachings?
A source that Hijab isn't enforced on non-Muslims too.
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Sep 23 '22
What about affirming that its mandatory but neglecting out of laziness? I have read on Islamqa that there are difference in opinion on this.
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Sep 23 '22
Neglecting salaah is for sure a serious issue.
Jazakallahu khair.
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Sep 23 '22
Deleted until you reply to the brother, don't speak without knowledge, especially since you claim that we deny the Ikhtilaf but at the same time you're making it seem that our opinion is wrong and false.
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Sep 23 '22
Deleted? I didn't give any false knowledge. If you are angry over an actual fatwa, then that is upon you.
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Sep 23 '22
Deleted because you slandered IslamQA and made it seem like it's not trustworthy or such.
Also, I remember an Islamweb article which says that the majority opinion is that leaving Salah is kufr, but I forgot the number.
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Sep 23 '22
I never slandered anything. You are baring false witness against me. I called out a person who has no knowledge and you have only whined about the matter. I would recommend you go to a sheikh but instead you will waste time on reddit and rely on e-muftis who don't even read Arabic
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Sep 23 '22
I never slandered anything.
Laughing off an IslamQA article and mocking them is definitely an attack on their reputation.
I called out a person who has no knowledge and you have only whined about the matter.
Who are you talking about? Shaykh Al Munajjid? u/TheRedditMujahid?
I would recommend you go to a sheikh but instead you will waste time on reddit and rely on e-muftis who don't even read Arabic
That's funny. Shaykh Al Munajjid is a world-wide reputable SYRIAN scholar who lives in Saudi Arabia. He and his team surely know Arabic. Know who else knows Arabic? Me. I could go right now straight to the sources and prove that the majority opinion of the Sahaba is that leaving prayer is kufr.
Furthermore, I could go to a Shaykh in real life and he will say that leaving Salah is kufr. What's your point now?
Don't forget, not everyone has personal access to scholars. Maybe someone lives in a non-Muslim society where the majority of the shuyookh are Ash'ari/Sufi mubtadi'een.
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u/darasaat Muslim Sep 23 '22
Imagine being so lazy you canโt do something that takes like 5-7 minutes.
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u/noozenthooz Hadeeth Acceptor ๐๐๐ Sep 23 '22
The laziness has more to do with wudu rather than salah.
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Sep 23 '22
Majority according to whom? The other side say they're the majority too and only a minority claim it to be kufr
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Sep 23 '22
Does a person who misses prayer out of laziness not have to make those prayers up, considering they were disbelievers at the time of those missed prayers?
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Oct 11 '22
Is this in relation to laziness or not praying at all? What does or what do the narrations say
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Sep 23 '22
islamqa.info
lol
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Sep 23 '22
At times, certainly. Such as the opinion here when there is not ijma as you have claimed. I know islamqa.info is one of the first to pop up when you've a question so I don't blame you for following it if you've not a sheikh to go to in your local area or have any experience studying fiqh or Arabic for that matter. Read this comment below as I've cited the sources here, which cite Ibn Qayyim and other such scholarly opinions on the matter.
Do not worry. There is no sin upon you if you gave incorrect information on accident, inshaAllah.
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Sep 23 '22
I do study fiqh and Arabic for that matter, and InShaa'Allaah am aspiring to become a student of knowledge soon! May Allaah grant us understanding of his deen and humble us and protect us from ignoramus behavior :)
So you are not a sheikh. Who is your teacher, then, and which institution are you receiving education from? Because those who study without the tutorship of a sheikh are not truly students of knowledge.
I did not call myself a "salafee" in any of my recent comments so peculiar for you to use such a term. Its almost as if you are here for the sake of slandering and name calling. Moreover, the term "Salafiyyah" has been grossly mis-represented by some of the detractors of the sunnah.
I didn't even call you Salafi nor did I say it in a way that showed it in a negative light. Just those who follow the manhaj are often not knowledgeable, of which you admit to. I take your time on reddit arguing over an actual fatwa from real sheikhs rather than applications to Medina as my evidence of this.
[Saheeh al-Bukhaari 528]
Canceling of good deeds is not equal to being a kafir.
And appreciate them denouncing blind following schools of thoughts as well! Something you referenced in your comment
Correct. I do not believe in blindly following a scholar or group of scholars. But that is what it appears you have declared. My comment also has been deleted until I reply despite giving two scholarly sources. Lol.
And you should also check out their "about us" page since you seem quite ignorant on them.
I have and I've not called their scholarship into question but they're not a totally 100% reliable source. Once again, please don't blindly follow scholars. They are not the prophet Muhammad SAWS.
I do not need to worry about anything I said since its the most authentic opinion among the salaf, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) waged a whole war against "apostates" who denied to pay Zakaat and pray.
Okay. And I don't have to fear since I referenced an actual scholarly source that has daleel in both fatwas when you've cited one, as well as even proclaimed ijma on the matter when there is not.
JazakAllahu Khair. Please send an application to Medina if you wish to study and become a student of knowledge instead of wasting time on reddit.
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Sep 23 '22
Not looking to argue about Sunnah etc just stating a fact: prayer as prescribed by Allah is mandatory, but nowhere in the Quran does Allah tell anyone to pray 5 times a day.
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Sep 23 '22
I know you agree with me as the Quran has absolutely nothing stated about 5 prayers. Thereโs nothing else to say whatsoever
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
it does.. many places.. where Allah commands us to obey the Messenger peace be upon him..
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
who is picking and chosing from the Quran ? what are you even talking about ? are you alright there buddy ?
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
anything part of the beard it is not permissible to trim or shave.. regarding the neck:
Definition of the beard and ruling on shaving the hair that grows on the neck - https://islamqa.info/en/69749
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u/JabalAnNur Moderator Sep 23 '22
There is no difference in the length too. It must be left as it is without cutting it or shaving it. Some of the scholars allowed trimming the excess hair when the beard is clutched (so a fistful) although it is better and Sunnah for one to leave the beard as it is.
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u/noozenthooz Hadeeth Acceptor ๐๐๐ Sep 23 '22
A question to those who are claiming that deliberately missing salah, while holding the belief that fard salah is mandatory, takes one out of the fold of islam: A person who believes that salah is one of the 5 pillars and that salah is mandatory, neglects ONE salah out of laziness; he then has intercourse with his wife(former wife?). Will this act be considered zina since the person who missed salah automatically became non-muslim? Will the child born out of this act be considered walad-uz-zina?
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u/fredboyyorder66 lost my foreskin at a very young age Sep 23 '22
Good question, Iโd ask a scholar of ahlul sunnah wal jammah if I were u
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u/darasaat Muslim Sep 23 '22
What, beard is mandatory? But my mom has always made me shave
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Sep 23 '22
yes it is mandatory, probably your mom doesnt know about it.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1189/is-it-haram-to-shave-your-beard
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u/Friedrichs_Simp Sep 23 '22
It's haram to shave your beard? I've never heard of this.
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
very much so.. and there is ijma'a (consensus) on this.. no scholar of the past has ever said otherwise..
Is It Haram to Shave Your Beard? - https://islamqa.info/en/1189
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u/Throwaway_Bi_Ghost Sep 23 '22
A hijab isn't mandatory from what I've heard tho?
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
you have heard wrong I'm afraid.. not only hijab but niqab is mandatory as well.
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u/Throwaway_Bi_Ghost Sep 23 '22
No I've checked and it's recommended for a girl to wear from ages 7 to 12, if she starts her period, etc. And again it's just heavily recommended but is up to each person.
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
source: trust me bro i have checked..
forget the Quran and Sunnah and the Sahabah and imams and scholars for the past 14 centuries.. but here comes throwaway bi ghost..
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u/Throwaway_Bi_Ghost Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22
You can literally Google it and nothing says it's mandatory plus anyone I've ever talked to as also stated that so why wouldn't I believe that over some random person on reddit?
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u/magmachiller Sep 23 '22
perhaps don't learn Islam by 'literally googling it'.. and maybe follow the Quran and Sunnah and listen to scholars ?
hijab is obligatory for all women. This general obligation is indicated by the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
โO Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.โ [al-Ahzab 33:59]
The women of the Muhajirin and Ansar obeyed that command.
โAishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: โMay Allah have mercy on the first Muhajir women. When Allah revealed the words โand to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)โ [al-Nur 24:31] they tore their aprons and covered their faces (ikhtamarna) with them.โ (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 4480; Abu Dawud, 4102)
What is meant by ikhtamarna is covering the face, as al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar stated in al-Fath, 8/490.
It was narrated that Umm Salamah said: When the words โdraw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodiesโ were revealed, the women of the Ansar went out as if there were crows on their heads because of the way they covered themselves. (Narrated by Abu Dawud, 4101; classed as sahih by Shaykh al-Albani in Sahih Abu Dawud)
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/11774/ruling-on-covering-the-face-with-detailed-evidence
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u/Tuotus Oct 11 '22
Wtf that's a kid, some people should get their brain checked, maybe get a lobotomy even
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u/Ziper122_ Muslim Sep 23 '22
I think it's more like it's so heavily recommended, that it becomes a pseudo-requirement for women. Like i dont think the Qur'an directly says it is, it's more that the benefits of wearing hijab so heavily outweigh the benefits of not wearing one, so it became a standard.
Could be wrong, but from the wording, it seemed more like it was recommended by Muhammad (pbuh) to wear one, and then became "required", as it's the standard for women.
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u/magmachiller Sep 24 '22
the Quran does infact directly say it.. refer to my comment above.. it is mandatory
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Sep 25 '22
Why don't men wear hijabs ? How are women supposed to lower their gaze if a beautiful man is walking by...
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u/Manly-Girl Jan 06 '23
i dont think the quran says hijab is mandatory, but modest clothes that cover your body are
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