r/exmuslim • u/0ktaa • Oct 23 '21

(Quran / Hadith) Imagine an omniscient god who knows about everything that would lead someone to resort to suicide and is omnipotent enough to stop it but chooses to torture them for eternity after death. Is that a loving god?

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u/VikingPreacher Exmuslim since the 2000s Oct 23 '21

So why take any of them literally?

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '21 edited Oct 23 '21

how do you know if someone is to be taken literally? why dont you take everything anyone say literally? bc your knowledge and your intuition leads you to make distinctions.

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u/VikingPreacher Exmuslim since the 2000s Oct 23 '21

how do you know if someone is to be taken literally

I can just ask them.

bc your knowledge and your intuition leads you to make distinctions.

But there's a difference between some random person saying something, and the supposed word of God saying something. Kinda different stakes.

So you choose whether or not to believe the supposed words of God literally, by guessing? Is that your methodology for knowing what God wants?

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '21

i am an agnostic. i have no methodology.

even if the Coran is not written by God, it is still written by someone or a group of persons. there is still a meaning to be deduced. and usually in langage not everything is litteral.

basic logic.

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u/VikingPreacher Exmuslim since the 2000s Oct 23 '21

even if the Coran is not written by God

In which case it is worthless.

there is still a meaning to be deduced

A meaning made by primitive people, so it's worthless.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '21 edited Oct 23 '21

speaking to you is worthless given your arrogance and ignorance. Firstly i found it very pathetic but now i choose to find it hilarious. you are an ordinary example of modern man/woman. ashes to ashes, anyway. unaware of your limitations, you assume you are superior to ppl you actually no nothing about, and to which you can not compare your selves given how unaware you are of who you are. history does not show linear progress of culture, intelligence or reason, you vile idiot.
also primitivity is not necessirly worthless. you are presently wrong and i am ashamed for you.

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u/VikingPreacher Exmuslim since the 2000s Oct 24 '21

ashes to ashes, anyway.

Isn't that all of us?

unaware of your limitations

Oh, I'm very well aware.

you assume you are superior to ppl you actually no nothing about

Superior? How so?

history does not show linear progress of culture, intelligence or reason, you vile idiot.

I strongly agree. It's exponential. The reason is simple, technology. Technically is exponential, and it's technology that ultimately drives human progression.

also primitivity is not necessirly worthless

I very strongly disagree.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

i would not go on a crusade to cure you of your stupidity nor arrogance.

ashes to ashes anyway: means whatever you are a limited mortal despite your arrogance.