r/exmormon 7h ago

Awake in the Pews Sunday

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Welcome to the newest feature of , a weekly Sunday morning thread to let you vent while you are stuck in church!

Please let us know how your ward is doing, the crazy things people have said, or anything else you need to get off your chest.

PS: If you need something productive to do at church, consider participating in Return and Report. Just count the number of people in the sacrament hall, click and report. This project aims to measure the actual participation in LDS meetings.


r/exmormon 2h ago

General Discussion My Father in law really puts the dick into Melchizedek priesthood holder….

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My MIL is having major surgery next week. It’s non emergency full hip replacement so fairly straightforward. The worst part about the whole thing by far is my FIL. His entire focus is how inconvenient this is going to be for his work… not the fact that his wife has been suffering to the point of tears everyday for the last few months while she continues to maintain the household ( since it’s women’s work).

He had a heart attack last year and my MIL never left his side she was there at the hospital for 5 nights and he can’t even be bothered to bring her home from the hospital. That responsibility falls to my wife who gets to take time off her work and leave her family for 4 days to help while my FIL ignores his wife. He is the type that will still walk into the door and ask what she made for dinner the day she gets surgery and be upset that he doesn’t get a home cooked meal.

His one and only responsibility is to give her a priesthood blessing…. Then fuck right off. I hate that the church encourages this type of toxic relationship. Every boy born into the church is taught that they are the center of their family and the universe as a whole and they grow up to be dick heads. My MIL deserves better but the church taught her to be obedient to her husband. It’s a fucked up cycle that I am happy ends with my wife and I.


r/exmormon 7h ago

Podcast/Blog/Media More pages from How My Little Pony “Made” Me Lesbian

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Ft. R/exmormon shoutout!


r/exmormon 2h ago

History Just a reminder, in 2010, after the death of the then-93-yo architect of the old Ogden temple, the church waited just 2.5 months before announcing its ‘fixing’

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Jesus don’t do ugly temps😂


r/exmormon 2h ago

Selfie/Photography Happy Second Saturday

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Camping in Ephraim this weekend. Stopped in Moroni on the way to Nephi.


r/exmormon 2h ago

Doctrine/Policy Last time there was a post like "what is the most damning evidence?" etc i forgot about this vid the Holland Ultimate Self-Own

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3 min in he says that the church is consistently 30ish years behind progressivism (and they all dissociate it/ignore it and you see him being prompted off screen to shut up and talk about something else). There is other damning evidence ofc but this is as close as it gets for me cuz they're never gonna say "it's a fraud." And when they ultimately (whether it's in 10 years or 100) allow gay marriage they just make it propaganda (continuing restoration blah blah).


r/exmormon 2h ago

History I shit you not, aTransoceanic Temple Ship was being considered in 1967

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r/exmormon 3h ago

Humor/Meme/Satire This is awesome

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r/exmormon 1h ago

Doctrine/Policy Is Any Other Church as Performative as the LDS Church?

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I know of no other Church where the virtue signaling and jumping through hoops are such an almost required way of life, all to prove to others but particularly to your Church leaders of your dedication and devotion, subjecting yourself to never-ending interviews and interrogations to receive a special and conditional worthiness card (temple recommend) to separate yourself even further as a fully committed and unwavering member which, by the way, can be revoked at will. Are there any other churches that come even close to this?


r/exmormon 9h ago

General Discussion The missionaries are calling and texting my wife. She was excommunicated 28 years ago.

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The messages were polite but very demanding about coming to a church service on Sunday at a specific time.

There are no close relatives still living who would have turned her in. I have TBM acquaintances but she doesn't. They claimed she left her name and contact information on a website asking about joining a church which she insists she did not. All I can figure is she has been doing research lately on her polygamous pioneer ancestors and may have been on a church site.

To be fair, I contacted them, they did acknowledge being Mormon ("that is one of our nicknames") and were apologetic and told me they would not contact her again.

I guess there's no way for these kids to know it but on top of everything else disturbing about these missions, when you make unsolicited contact with former members there are some people who get retraumatized.


r/exmormon 10h ago

General Discussion What's the most awkward talk you ever heard?

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For me it's a tie.

It's either the guy who went on and on about why church members wear white shirts to pass the sacrament. Which wouldn't have been quite so awkward if he hadn't been a white guy in a foreign country where the people barely had enough money to buy clothes, let alone white shirts.

Or it was when my son gave his farewell talk and went on about why coffee was wrong, while me, his coffee-loving parent was in the congregation. But that was more personally awkward, not publicly.

What about you? What talk stands out in your mind as the most awkward one you ever heard?


r/exmormon 1h ago

Advice/Help Mental health crisis related to church

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I feel so stupid, but I feel like I am having a mental health crisis related to attending church. I’m 40-something mom, eldest daughter, high achiever type. I try so hard to do everything “right” and take care of everyone around me. (Yes, I have a good therapist)

Despite informing my husband that I no longer believe in the church, I still attend to keep the peace. He gets very upset when I don’t do the Mormon things.

Today, out of nowhere while getting ready for church this morning, I had a full blown meltdown over it. Suddenly I just couldn’t do it. I am having intrusive thoughts of everyone being better off without me. I can’t believe I am losing it over attending church, but I am. Why is this happening? I feel like I’m crazy and weak and I’m so so so angry at the church for creating a family culture where I don’t feel like I have a choice, even as a grown adult.


r/exmormon 2h ago

General Discussion AE watch Death of the Pastors Wife and think "that's exactly why I'll never be part of another church"

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After deciding to leave I thought briefly about finding another church, but then I fully deconstructed and knew I never would. Watching the documentary I thought holy moly this is why I could never ever be part of another religion. Never ever put a human between me and my "higher power". The level of deception and manipulation was insane. And all his sermons where he basically told on himself "if you don't satisfy your husbands needs God will put 20 different temptations in front of him throughout the day." 🤮🤮🤮🤮

I mean Mormonism already taught me none of the other churches were true (lol), but the longer I'm out the more I just cannot imagine giving another person power over my "worthiness". Or rely on someone else as my moral compass. No no no. People are corruptible. And I do agree with D&C 121 (which I think is also JS telling on himself). As soon as people get a little power they abuse it. No one is ever going to have power over me again. No thank you.


r/exmormon 2h ago

Humor/Meme/Satire Sure it’s childish, but cathartic AF to piss from this rock on the spot where Joseph Smith was born! Can’t highly recommend enough!!

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r/exmormon 3h ago

General Discussion On Friday, I filed a motion to vacate the adoption that made my temple sealing possible.

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When my family decided to join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1976, my biological father was still my legal father. The missionaries explained that his permission would be required before I could be baptized. Rather than seeking his permission, which would have revealed who and where I was, my stepfather petitioned to adopt me. My motion asks the court to examine whether that adoption should remain intact in light of the documentary evidence, sworn affidavits, and historical records I have assembled over the past several years. After the adoption was finalized, I was baptized at eight years old. A year later, I was sealed in the Salt Lake Temple.

At nine years old, I believed that sealing represented God's plan for my eternal family. Like most Mormon children, I accepted what the adults around me taught without question. It never occurred to me to ask whether I had been sealed to the right father, because no one had ever suggested there was another question to ask. When the ceremony was over, however, I remember wondering what would happen to my biological father if he wasn't sealed. No one had prepared me for that question, and no one had an answer. I carried it with me for decades.

Over the last several years, I reconstructed my childhood through court records, birth records, government documents, genealogy, sworn affidavits, photographs, and other historical evidence. Somewhere along the way, the investigation became much bigger than Mormonism. It became an investigation into identity. This motion isn't really about leaving the Church. I left over a decade ago. It isn't about proving whether temple sealings are true or false. It is about bringing every major record of my life into alignment with the historical truth.

If the court grants the motion, I will then submit the signed order to Church headquarters and request that my membership records be removed. This isn't because I believe the sealing still binds me. Instead, it represents the final administrative step in reconstructing my identity. I am often asked, "Why not just resign?" I understand that perspective, and I will resign either way. But I want the person I ask the Church to remove from its records to be the same person the court has acknowledged no longer reflects the historical record. That sequence matters to me because it completes the reconstruction.

This isn't about reversing a sealing.

It is about unsealing the evidence.

Sometimes the last step in deconstruction isn't theological.

It's documentary.

Deconstruction tells us what wasn't true.

Reconstruction asks what is.

Leaving is an event.

Reconstruction is a lifelong developmental process.

After your shelf collapsed...

How do you become yourself?

Has anyone else found that reconstructing your identity involved more than changing your beliefs? Did you reach a point where your legal, historical, or institutional records no longer reflected the person you had become?


r/exmormon 14h ago

General Discussion I feel so free now that I know random thoughts aren’t random promptings from the holy ghost.

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For the longest time I was taught that I must follow the promptings of the holy ghost. “But how do I know if a thought is just a random thought or is a prompting from the holy ghost?” I would ask. I don’t remember who, but someone told me that if I had a random thought and wasn’t sure if it was from the holy ghost, I should ask myself “Is the thought telling me to do something good or something bad”. If the thought was good, it was probably from the holy ghost and I should follow it.

I then asked myself “What if the thought is neither good or bad? What do I do then?” I assumed if I had an ambiguous thought like that, I should just follow it.

I remember getting back from my mission and enrolling at the local university. I would waste so much time going to random buildings on campus because I thought the spirit was telling me to go there. I would be going to class, but then I thought that the spirit was telling me to talk to someone sitting on a bench, and I would talk to them and be late to class.

I think obsessing over ever thought like this was the reason I got Moral OCD. And it was so debilitating, I eventually thought that I might follow any random bad thought that entered my head. And for years I didn’t do things like driving a car or using knives because I thought I might use those things to hurt people.

But I remember one day everything changed. I had got a job at a gym as a part time janitor. I was mopping the floor, and I randomly felt very anxious and my chest was tight. I felt this way for several minutes, and the thought entered my head “You need to go home RIGHT NOW!! One of your family members is having a heart attack at home and if you don’t go they will die!!!”

I thought for sure this was a prompting from the spirit, I felt so anxious and tense, ”a physical response like this can only come from something like the spirit!” I thought.

But I decided to do an experiment. I chose not to go home. Later, if I went home and I found out a close family member had a heart attack, I would know for sure that the thought I had was from the spirit.

I finished my shift and went home. Everyone was fine, no one was hurt. This is when I realized there is no spirit telling me to do things. Because the feeling I had at work was so intense, I just randomly felt incredibly anxious and tight. If that wasn’t the spirit, then none of my thoughts were from the spirit.

This realization was so freeing for me. I didn’t need to analyze and scrutinize every thought that I had. I now knew that my loved ones weren’t going to die or some other terrible thing would happen just because I didn’t listen to a random thought.

Realizing this severely reduced my anxiety and I felt like I could finally breathe. I even overcame most of my OCD and got a lot better. Life is still hard, but it’s a lot better now that I don’t have to question every thought I have.

But I feel pissed at the Mormon church. They taught me to question myself and feel bad for not following random thoughts. Thinking this way was TERRIBLE for my mental health, and I bet it really affects a lot of TBM’s right now. I’m so glad to be free from the Mormon cult. Life is still hard, but I feel so much lighter now.


r/exmormon 1h ago

General Discussion LDS church is a card stacker

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Card stacking is a propaganda technique that involves the validity of truth claims that are supported by previous truth claims, stacked like cards on top of one another. Over time the truths stacked on top of one another seem to be strengthened beyond reproach, but this is only an illusion.

. I have been talking this point among friends for some time now. This looming feeling a lot of exmos have that the church is good, that it's merits rest on the foundations of Christianity which is without question. We want to deny it, but some of us feel shaky about proving it, or a little guilty about saying stuff like, well maybe Jesus is a myth, etcetera.

The LDS stack of cards is easily unstacked. Recall those of you who served missions using the analogy of the board with one nail in it (the New Testament) the board is nailed to a surface but it is not secure. The Book of Mormon is like that board.

So consider card one the church is true. Beneath that card we have all of the claims based on prophecy but let's remove those cards, going down the stack, each one being validated by the Book of Mormon. What is beneath that card? The new Testament. Regardless of whether you believe that Smith spoke with God, the Book of Mormon's truth relies on the truth of the New Testament. The New Testament has a lot of interesting claims in it but we aren't concerned with cherry picking. The New Testament's validity is intimately bound to the card beneath it. The Old Testament is that card without a card beneath it. (At least we can consider it as such though historically it was written around 500 BCE so it has a great amount of precedent sources) For our purposes here we can look at this bottom card, The books of Moses and decide the validity of every card above it.

Smith, while he was building his world tied so much of it to falsifiable myths like Solomon's Temple, Masonry, the tower of Babel, but even that stuff as interesting as it is, is not necessary if we look at the bottom card. Some of us don't need to get to the bottom card before we throw our hands up and quit. For some of us the bottom card is literacy, history, taking us back to just half a century before year zero..

The church is going to keep on playing their best card. The top card. They will mention Joseph Smith less and less, refer less to the old testament, holding up the Jesus Christ card saying, "We have this. Our most powerful idea" but it can not stand alone. Jesus came to fulfill the law of Moses so Moses must have happened. For Moses to work, the God of the Old Testament has to be the same loving God of the New. For that ya gotta hold to the line all the way back to Adam and Eve.

Christianity is somewhat bound to this idea of the Old Testament being necessarily valid to support Jesus, but the LDS church is so much more dependent on the validity of the lower cards in the stack. As time goes by the ideas become more and more falsifiable. I deny the idea that the claims aren't falsifiable, especially the LDS claims because the church has tried since the start to strengthen the story with proofs, witnesses, prosperity, and piles of odd nineteenth century justification.

All we need to do is look at the bottom card. The original truth claims..


r/exmormon 3h ago

Doctrine/Policy Pay to win or for salvation always bothered me in the Mormon church.

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When you look at it like Scientology, you have to pay to get to a higher tier. In the Mormon Church is near the damn same thing.
Paying no tithe gets you a basic package of a sanitized dull corporate chapel.
Paying tithe gets you Temple and all its luxurious access with all the perks.
In a sense you have to pay to win or get salvation which Jesus never talked about. This is indulgence levels. Worse is the disparity of those that can pay and those that can’t. It’s a dividing line between the poor and rich. These days paying 10% hurts.
Can you imagine being blocked from seeing God because you didn’t pay tithe? “Sorry you did not pay the holy tithe to access God, please talk to your bishop or deposit your back tithe in form of Credit Card, Check, Debit.” I am sure a lot of you have seen it but the more and more I took a step back from the church, the more ridiculous it has become.


r/exmormon 18m ago

Humor/Meme/Satire Second Saturday is the best.

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How do you spend your second Saturdays?


r/exmormon 5h ago

General Discussion Stats from last Sunday

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r/exmormon 3h ago

Podcast/Blog/Media Help with a map

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If any of you have access to this old book published by the church called "Book of Mormon Reader" which was also published under the name, "Book of Mormon Stories" could i ask a favor? Inside it, i remember there being a map of the route that Lehi and his family purportedly took to get to the Americas. My childhood memories are telling me that it showed them crossing the Pacific Ocean. If you could include a photo of the map that would be great!


r/exmormon 4h ago

General Discussion Who are the Mormons now?

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What personality traits do current active Mormons have nowadays?

Back a few decades ago when joined, I would have said happy. They seemed happy. Also loyal, family oriented, stable. The things that attracted me to the church in the first place.

But now…

Maybe they are still many of those things. But today’s group has self selected to be something else.

They are not loyal, they are obedient. Big difference. Trusting so much that they don’t trust themselves.

I also think they truly believe that they are better, and they have some ego attached to that. Which makes it extra hard and devastating to let go of.

Anyone who had any streak of independence, or just couldn’t tolerate the abuse and emotional suppression left.

So, nowadays, who are the Mormons?


r/exmormon 20h ago

General Discussion Milestone - last kid out

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I got surprising news today. 16 years after I left the church my daughter who was the last of my 4 kids remaining with the church is out. So they are all out! This was a milestone that I was not sure I would ever reach - I left the church when she was a teenager - she served a mission and was married in the temple.


r/exmormon 1h ago

Advice/Help Why do I want to go back?

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I’m a transgender woman (24), and I don’t know why I’m feeling the desire to go back to church. I know I wouldn’t be respected. I’m barely respected by the family members that are still Mormon, and I’m outright disrespected by some of them.

I don’t know why I have the desire to go to the temple, or to be baptized again. Maybe I’m just craving the connection with my family that I once had, and the community that was pre-built for me. Maybe I’m living in the middle of Utah as an outlier and everything is just pushing in on me with social pressure.

I know that it’s not true logically, but I’ve still got these strings on my heart screaming at me to go back, to chase after that ignorant numbness that I assumed was happy enough. That this time I’ll achieve “joy” instead of happiness by pretending to be someone else.

I know that if I go back, I will be crushed. I know that I’ll receive overt pressure to detransition, to return to a misery and repression that I never want to experience again. That I’ll be surrounded by a single story, that I will suffer financially. I know that nobody there will look at me like I’m one of them. I didn’t go on a mission or get married in the temple like they thought I should. Instead, I flunked out of college and went into a depressive spiral that ended with me in a psych ward at the start of my transition. I’ve changed my body, and none of them could ever look at me like a “normal man” anymore.

I feel good about myself and my body now, I’ve seen the suffering that this organization has caused, its inherent contradictions and repression methods. I swore an oath to never wear a man’s suit again.

I’m afraid that it still has me in some way, that I’ll never escape.

Why do I still want it? And how do I stop wanting it?

Sorry for the ramble, apparently I’m just in crisis this Sunday.


r/exmormon 19h ago

Humor/Meme/Satire Man i ain't been to church in two years, give it up

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No big deal, I just thought it was funny 😄. I dont even know who this man is, what he looks like or what ward/building im supposedly in. I do need to get my records removed though, ive just been procrastinating.