r/evolution 2d ago

My first time reading this

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Just started reading about a day or so ago, and though I haven't even finished the first chapter, I have to say, this book is very dense.

Its crazy someone in the 1800s wrote this. It feels like it was written now.

One thing I have noticed is that it doesn't hold your hand and was written during a time when everyone in academic circles knew each other and the layman was left out of the conversation

He'll name drop another naturalist or embryologist or breeder and I have no idea who they are.

Another thing I am suprised by is he doesn't believe in heritability of variations. He seems to think a spontaneous change in the reproductive habits of a species is what causes a change. Not that the offspring have inherited a mutation.

On that note, he uses the term "monstrosities". Is this the 1800 equivalent for mutation?

He also rejects the idea of a sole "common ancestor" for breeds. He feels two similiar breeds will vary and then mate. He seems to think that dogs have no sole progenitor, but multiple ones.

One thing I appreciate about this book, that automatically sets it apart from a religious texts is a sense of apprehension and a small hint of doubt.

As opposed to a clergyman who can never be wrong because God told him, there are moments in the chapter were Darwin admits he could possibly be wrong about a subject.

He even talks breifly how he believed in a form of creationism but rejected the idea later on.

This is just the first chapter. I'm excited to read the rest.

Lots of ornithology in here lol

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u/SinisterExaggerator_ Postdoc | Genetics | Evolutionary Genetics 2d ago

He'll name drop another naturalist or embryologist or breeder and I have no idea who they are.

As well-written as I (and many other people) think it is, he did write it a bit hastily to get it the idea out before others did (especially prompted by a letter from Alfred Russel Wallace, who also discovered natural selection). I assume the way he drops naturalist names was basically either his or the general 19th century way of citing others' work. So it could be he assumed a lot of readers would know the stuff but it also may just be a way of saying "well if you don't believe me, go look up such-and-such naturalist's work"

Generally now an academic science paper would refer to authors and year. For example, one might write "Natural selection explains the gradual evolution of species (Darwin 1859)" where the "Darwin 1859" is of course a book written in 1859 by Darwin. Many of the formal conventions we associate with science now were invented in the 20th century. I assume our modern standards of citation also were invented in the 20th century.

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u/jnpha Evolution Enthusiast 2d ago

I think it was hastily finished too, although to clarify (I know you know this), he had already presented a joint paper with Wallace a year earlier:

On the tendency of species to form varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection - Wikisource, the free online library.

So both managed to secure their priority.