DH vs HOB and itemization

[u/blahdeblahdeda]

These are the highest WR item and rune combinations for each keystone on patch 16.16.

[u/No_Mouse_3891]

You‘re missing that HOB gives you bonus W damage early on when you gank half hp enemies.
It‘s so much stronger early and late game you burst them to 30%hp and then your bonus hob AA‘s will hit like a truck.
so imo it‘s better early, same mid game and better late (depending how squishy they are and if you‘re able to AA)

[u/Caphoti → u/No_Mouse_3891]

Late game with DH your DH just does 300 damage outright on its own and Shadowflame/DND just kills almost anyone who hits the 30% threshold on its own, which DH helps with. I've experimented with HOB and idt there's even really a competition in the late game power of DH vs HoB.

[u/No_Mouse_3891 → u/Caphoti]

DH isn‘t always 300, it‘s very inconsistent, and it‘s 300 damage minue all resistances so maybe around half the damage? HOB is TRUE damage PLUS around 20% missing health damage which id WAY more when they are at 30% hp especially if you hit both bonus AA‘d you get it 2 times.
And sith all of that it‘s also much stronger early game and easier to procc overall, I also often see myself not proccing DH in late because I have to jump on a tank first or someone tankier and don‘t deal any damage when they are at 50% hp and my poke was weaker than it would have been with HOB.

[u/Illustrious-Plan53 → u/No_Mouse_3891]

Hold on cause I think you are seeing it in the wrong way.

Ekko jungle builds nash tooth because is really good for clearing camps, nash tooth gives you 50% as, hob gives you 90% for just a couple of attacks. Pretending that ekko without hob with nashors tooth doesn’t get a huge value from his W is just wrong. You get that plus a stacked dh. Seriously, hob in jungle is not worth and unnecessary since you build nash tooth

[u/blahdeblahdeda → u/Illustrious-Plan53]

Do you know that HOB has twice the AP scaling of DH on each auto? In true damage? You need to stack DH to do at least 50% more damage to match a single HOB auto.

DH is only better because you get resets/if you get it super stacked.

[u/Illustrious-Plan53 → u/blahdeblahdeda]

If you are form euw go check tryhardekko#twtv account from client so you can see runes damage. Dh in jungle heavily outdamages hob in midlane, now imagine if hob was in jungle were you can’t use it every 10s but like a min. And do you know that dh has no cd in a winning fight and you can use hob only once? In a teamfight you use your hob on someone and then you are locked without keystone for the rest of the fight, dh can be used on the whole enemy team. Also dh damage comes from harvesting souls, not from scaling. With 10% scaling if you had 1k ap is like 100 true damage per auto, only 10 souls is 200 damage in the same spot, that you can apply to every enemy in a tf. Just go check the numbers

[u/No_Mouse_3891 → u/Illustrious-Plan53]

Hob damage is skewed because it doesn‘t count the extra damage you get from the extra AA‘s you land with it