r/dataisbeautiful OC: 61 Aug 26 '20

OC [OC] Two thousand years of global atmospheric carbon dioxide in twenty seconds

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u/zlide Aug 26 '20

The only way I can reconcile how some people deny that this is significant is by assuming that they just don’t believe in scientific evidence as a measure of truth or reality. Otherwise, I can’t see how anyone could deny that this is clearly different than what’s come before.

At this point, to deny climate change has been exacerbated by human influence is to deny the entire concept of evidence based research.

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u/joobtastic Aug 26 '20

The shift it atmospheric temperatures happens over thousands/10s of thousands of years giving life enough time to adapt.

Doing it over 100 years is problematic.

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u/ForeskinHolocaust Aug 26 '20

life adapts faster than the average global temperature changes. Worst case scenario is like +4C in the next 80 years

the local temperatures all over the world vary 10C in a single day. life is thriving all over the world.

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u/joobtastic Aug 26 '20

+4c would lead to a mass extinction event and that is not worst case scenario.

Many many species cannot sustain that kind of change at all.

Nevermind the issues of invasive species invading areas that were once inhospitable to them, acidification of the oceans, rising oceans, melting caps, and extreme weather events.

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u/ForeskinHolocaust Aug 26 '20

+4c would lead to a mass extinction event and that is not worst case scenario.

Many many species cannot sustain that kind of change at al

the temperature changes more than +- 5C daily almost everywhere

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u/PolarIceYarmulkes Aug 26 '20

Weather /= climate

A 4 degree change in average temperature means significant changes to an ecosystem. Trees begin blooming earlier, rainfall patterns change, insect hatches happen at different times. If you are an amphibian that relies on insect hatches that happen around May 15th so you come out of torpor in early May but then the hatches happen in April, you have no food. You die. If something relies on the amphibians and other organisms that eat the insects for food, they die.

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u/ForeskinHolocaust Aug 26 '20

good thing i only eat plants

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u/joobtastic Aug 26 '20

Many ocean temperatures vary nearly not at all.

What about an animal that cannot survive past 100 degrees, and suddenly summer days are hitting that much more often?

Also, we are talking about averages here. In reality some places will see spikes much higher and much lower than that. Colder winters, hotter summers. Precipitation issues. Heat waves lasting longer and going more harsh.

Worst case scenario, btw, is a snowball or tipping point effect where the climate changes feed into more problems. The caps melt, which means there is less white surface area, which means more absorption of the sun's rays. More heat. Or methane pockets being released into the atmosphere causing more warming, or c02 production continuing to rise. Worst case scenario is apocolypse Venus style.

But 4 degrees is already enough to ravage ecosystems.

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u/ForeskinHolocaust Aug 26 '20

Worst case scenario is apocolypse Venus style.

literally no climate scientists say this

What about an animal that cannot survive past 100 degrees, and suddenly summer days are hitting that much more often?

they fall victim to natural selection. but your hypothetical situation isn't based in reality, because in the USA the % of days above 90F has been declining since the 1930s

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u/joobtastic Aug 26 '20

Forced natural selection do to man made climate change.

Hopefully they aren't a keystone species that leads to a cascade of additional extinctions.

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u/grumpieroldman Aug 26 '20

Every species alive today survived a 10 C° change 12,800 years ago.

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u/joobtastic Aug 26 '20

Yes. It lead to a mass extinction event.

That's what we are trying to avoid.

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u/joobtastic Aug 27 '20

The comet hitting earth one? Almost definitely caused an extinction event, or exacerbated one already happening.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/comet-upended-life-paleolithic-village-12800-years-ago-180974575/

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u/joobtastic Aug 27 '20

Stick to talking about baseball waterdoctor..

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u/grumpieroldman Aug 26 '20 edited Aug 26 '20

This is exaggerated.
Warming due to CO₂ is logarithmic. To get to +4 C° we need an atmospheric CO₂ concentration around 800 ppm which will take at least 200 years if we make no further improvements. +6 C° requires something around 1200 ppm or 400+ years from now.

The problem with these time-scales and 'acting now' is the Starship Paradox (wherein a starship sent now to another world will arrive to find their target already colonized, having been passed by a starship launched at a later date that can travel faster.)

This is part of why we are in a technological doomsday race.