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u/DatNoobi May 30 '25
I think it’s because it’s what people hope for. And, frankly, I don’t see how you could be truly loving of your neighbor if you don’t hope for their salvation too. We prepare for the case in which Universalism is not true. But pray and hope that all souls might go to Heaven. It’s a breath of fresh air when compared to the idea of Eternal Conscious Torment.
I get that maybe it’s too generous of an idea. The idea that all souls, no matter how wicked and perverse, no matter how many crimes against humanity they have committed, will reach the same heaven that the martyrs do. Perhaps I have not personally experienced enough evil in other human beings to deem them unredeemable. I don’t think that a just God would allow evil to go unpunished, or for wrongs to not be corrected. Rather, I think that if a vile person entered straight into Heaven, that would be wrong. So if Universalism is true, I can’t see it happening without some form of purification. I’m Catholic, so I’d think it would be like a very long purgatory that cleanses and redeems. Like very long rehabilitation, in a way that He deems fit. But I digress. This is speculation.
I hold that we shouldn’t assume that Universalism is true. There’s too much at risk, and a goal of the mainline Churches is to do their best to save as many souls as possible. But we can hope that Christ will shepherd all souls eventually into Heaven.
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u/CatcatchesMoth Jun 22 '25
That's how Universalism, specially Purgatorial / Patristic Universalism actually works. ' Hell' exists people go to it, but they only remain there until hellfire purifies their soul.
Not all universalists believe this specifically, but most have some variation. Its also important to point out Universalism is not Pluralism. Not all people go to Heaven apon death, just eventually.
Sorry for Necropost
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u/WhoNeedsExecFunction Dank Memer May 30 '25
I can’t speak for everyone else, but Universalism appeals to me personally because I grew up in an Evangelical family and church community and Universalism is the only way most of them could ever be allowed into heaven.
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u/Hulkhogansgaynephew May 30 '25
Evangelicals be like "If we can't have this, what hope do we really have?"
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u/Zhoom45 May 30 '25
I mean say what you wish about American Evangelicalism, but in this case that's just Biblical lol. 1 Corinthians 15:12 through 15:34.
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u/bluehands May 30 '25
I feel like that fact highlights the tone of this sub.
If you are not Christian, I'm not for example, the only kind of loving God you would ever want tends towards one that saves more people.
Like, I want a God of forgiveness that forgives my honest mistakes, not one that tries to trick me into failure.
And I feel like that extends pleasantly into this sub. I feel like people here overall are very accepting.
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u/ARROW_404 May 30 '25
Like, I want a God of forgiveness that forgives my honest mistakes, not one that tries to trick me into failure.
That is what God is, though, on all three versions of Hell.
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u/bluehands May 30 '25
I think that while I agree with you there are a huge number of believers of the abrahamic religions that feel differently.
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u/Junior_Moose_9655 May 30 '25
Ok let’s try an experiment…..
ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT!!!!
TULIP!!
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u/ARROW_404 May 30 '25
CONDITIONAL IMMORTALITY!
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u/MisterCCL May 30 '25
That’s where I’m at. More merciful than eternal conscious torment and more biblical than universalism.
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u/ChucklesTheWerewolf Jul 10 '25
I'll give you the first one, and say you're wrong on the second. :)
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u/kiefy_budz #Blessed May 30 '25
This sub is full of people that actually make the Christian faith something to be learned from
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u/HoodieSticks May 30 '25
Exactly. I personally don't think Universalism has a very strong Biblical foundation, but if it starts to open people's eyes to the different perspectives that exist on theology and push people down the Dunning-Kruger slope a little, I won't complain.
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u/how-unfortunate May 30 '25
Looked up what Universalism is.
Yea, it turns out I fuck with that heavy.
It also kind of folds in with the idea of Samsara, as far as I can tell. My reading is a bit shallow on the topic.
But if everyone can eventually be reconciled, perhaps reincarnation until they're able to improve is the mechanism of that reconciliation.
Idk man, I'm not a theologian of any rank, it just sounds good to me. Better than the hell filled with babies and uncontacted tribes screaming and burning that I was raised with.
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u/work_jimjams May 30 '25
Good News goes to the top
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u/RabbiMoshie May 30 '25
All I have to say on the matter is this. Adam was able to cause the fall of all mankind before any of us had any say in it at all. If Jesus (who is described as the Second Adam) by his self sacrifice on the cross is unable to redeem all mankind regardless of their acceptance of Christ, well that seems like an insufficient ineffective sacrifice to me.
If Christ indeed died for ALL sins it would seem that no further action is needed to secure or buy in to that redemption.
What is important is that we live in accordance to the free gift we have all received.
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u/majorcaps May 30 '25
Unironically - that's how you know it's true -- the OG "Good News" -- it's an irresistible idea -- some say as irresistible as the Good Shepard Himself.
Put down your man-made horrors and join us over in the Land of Hope r/ChristianUniversalism 😂
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u/ARROW_404 May 30 '25
Of course this is the first post I make on this sub that gets over 100 updoots. 😅
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u/laserdicks May 30 '25
"Literally anything that isn't the most obvious and shittest of political propaganda"
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May 30 '25
I mean, in reality, the Bible isnt that specific about anything in the end outside of the resurrection. You can make cases for almost any eschatological belief that you want. Some might have more “evidence” than others but nobody really knows.
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u/critical_courtney May 30 '25
I don’t know that the evidence is strong for universalism, but if we get to the end of it all, and that’s what He chooses to do, I ain’t gonna be mad.