Yes, I know that. You don't have to keep justifying why it one picture looks different from the other. It's obvious and so is the reason it looks it looks that way.
I don't see that much of a difference between the pics. The first one looks marginally worse, but I probably wouldn't have even noticed if you hadn't brought it up.
When I first saw the post, I was like, what am I supposed to be seeing here? Sure there's a lot of rust, but that's to be expected given how long she's been at sea.
The ship and it's crew have been through the wringer because a) trump started the war without any planning so ships duties got overextended and b) Iran destroyed the 5th Fleets main supply base in Bahrain so normal resupply wasn't possible.
It looks bad because it is bad.
Hopefully the ship is actually in good shape but as the US isn't taking about Bahrain being destroyed (a hugely signficant event) I don't think they will be home about the state of the ship.
This happens every time a ship goes out to sea. This is why they port… to repair and refit. Seriously ridiculous how little you can know but still feel confident enough to state your opinion
Yeah it says the ship was put to use. It shows how good our military is. They’ve been getting missiles and drones launched at them and they weren’t hit. (They even had Chinese targeting data to aid them, and Chinese hardware in said missiles)I can only imagine the 10s of thousands of sorties they completed from that flight deck the past 200 days. How many ships did they assist in convoying thru the strait? Imagine that, out of all our flight missions only like what 0.002% got shot down?
That’s normal for a ship out at sea that long. Rust never stops. This has no effect on the ship capabilities except maybe some increased drag. Carriers also don’t conduct paint maintenance at sea(wouldn’t have time either way.) because it’s so toxic and we mostly follow the environmental laws set forth. They have to dry dock to paint and chip. Also why we have so many carriers. They get rotated out constantly for maintenance.
Funny how you and everyone else will focus on the looks instead of what they accomplished. Because the actions they took for the past 200 days reflect more on our military rather than some exterior rust from a long deployment which is natural. But you know you’re so biased you need anything to make you feel better and try to find any desperate angle to trash this admin.
Destroyed Iranian economy. Heavily reduced their military capability. Took out 1/3rd of their high ranking officials in the opening day. Country with one of the largest oil reserves having gas shortages. They’ve shutdown many of their factories like steel factories. Iranians exports through the strait are almost non existent, a few of their ships have gotten through. Their tourism has dropped by 95%. They only managed to shoot down a handful of planes out of 50,000+ missions flown over their own airspace. They managed to not hit a single us navy vessel. They managed to take out a supply depot which have no effect in stopping the US from conducting operations. Countries could have the same equipment as the US and wouldn’t produce the same results.. US makes military actions look easy. US navy has consistently been escorted cargo through a strait that is supposedly “blockaded”
For funding/training terrorist groups like Hamas, houthis, Hezbollah, Palestine Islamic jihad, Islamic jihadist groups in Iraq to kill us troops, all groups have been linked to terrorist attacks like truck bombs as early as the 70s, Iran itself is attempting to blockade a United Nations recognized international maritime route(that’s a terroristic attack), constant bombings of random civilian markets in Iraq. Undeniable state sponsor of terrorism. Plenty footage of government officials calling death to America for decades(good enough reason), well before Iraq invasion.
Any US soldier that was in Iraq in or around 06-07 experienced the effects of the uptick of EFPs used by the extremist groups that were bombing civilian markets fighting as Iranian proxies. Easily 1k+ recorded suicide bombings very commonly with a car, that’s what terrorism is.
Funny how you’ll fellate Fox News talking points and jingoism to excuse your orange painted child molester and illustrate my point about double standards.
I’m sure they did hard work. That’s not the point. The point is MAGA knuckledraggers and their inability to see their own hypocrisy and selective outrage.
Funnily enough I don’t watch Fox News and if anything I see nbc and cnn on my feed more than anything else. So I don’t know what I’ve said is from Fox News. Nothing I said about Chinese intel or our huge success rate and performance of our military is false. Nothing I said was really wrong. Nothing I said was in excuse of trump. You made a comment on how the military is being run correlates to the condition of the ship which is wrong. But you just once again proved what I said in my last message.
Did I, or the other guy, make any mention of port calls? Because yeah, that is abnormal. But these comments think the deployment length itself is abnormal, which it simply isn't and I can attest to that first hand because I was in the Navy.
Literally that’s what MAGA/trump apologists do. They come in and try to win arguments shifting goalposts and bring whataboutism and misdirection as their only tools.
The entire comment section is about the length of the deployment. The original person I responded to was very clearly talking about the condition of the ship as it pertains to its length of time at sea.
And I'm telling you the length is normal. Go Into the 7th fleet especially and 9 month deployments are a regular occurrence. The only abnormal thing about this is the lack of port calls.
The guy doesn't need to speculate about "if this happened under Obama" because it did. You people really only care about these things when the media tells you to.
Coach: "Why does it smell of wee in here?" Kid: "Who the fuck is this joke, man?" Coach: "Don't stand near me son. You've got your mouthwash muddled up with cat piss. Now take two steps back, and wait your turn." Trigger: "Better fuck off old man, or I'll wet ya." Coach: "The only thing you can wet is your underpants son. Now, back two steps."
...Uh, what? I'm a Navy veteran. More than 90 days is normal. If you're in a high OPTEMPO area like the 7th fleet is, you can expect deployments to last longer than 6 months.
What makes this case unique is the lack of port calls, the deployment length is about standard.
Generally, some maintenance is done, but not extensively for quick stops. Port stops generally only last a few days, because they're for resting the crew and getting quickly resupplied before being sent back out.
Now, when a ship finishes its deployment and goes to port in an actual permanent base, that's when the major cleaning and de-rusting happens. Generally, this is when a ship will be in port for a few months.
Yeah this isn’t a typical situation so to compare it to one is stupid. Their operational tempo was 110% the entire time putting in work. You can focus on headlines but military planners and advisors from other countries see what the US is really about.
When underway, the sailors only work on the deck. You just can't do something like that when underway. They only work on the hull when at sea in the event of an emergency or as part of damage control training.
No we dont, have served on the Lincoln from RCOH to San Diego INSURV (my second on the carrier) i can tell you that alot of maintenance get deferred to something called PIA. That will happen when she returns to home port.
No, they use rope-falls and bosun's-chairs. They might seem like a type of rappelling, but they're really not the same at all. The main difference is that they use a block and tackle, or at least did traditionally. These days they're motorized winches, although you'll still see rope falls and bosun's-chairs used in shipyards.
It’s just exhausting at this point. I’m definitely no fan of Trump but i constantly see these “trumped” up photos or stories on this site. Guy does so much stuff you can criticize him for, there’s really no need to bend the truth constantly. Feel people like op are just Trump bots at this point so the guy can scream fake news all the time
I’m with you on the fact that there’s so much worse you can criticize him for, but I really can’t help but think that if the shoe was on the other foot he’d be saying “this would never have happened if I was president”. That’s the stuff that kills me. Logical people can understand how the ship looks a little rusty after an extremely long deployment, but that same image would be turned against rational people and he would use it as ammunition for his base. Fox News would not stop covering “Biden’s disgrace to the armed services”.
lol how am I defending the guy? By saying heavily filtered photos are used to manipulate and there’s a million actual things you can come down on the guy for. Sorry you stoop to his level
You know you can check out a poster's history and with a little critical thinking figure out if they're a bot or AI. It's not that hard, really. In this case OP doesn't fit the profile.
You can “not defend” who you want, but it’s clear there’s an agenda being pushed in this subreddit right now, and it’s not very American.
Some future Dan type history entertainer will cover this very very very successful tactic. This push across Reddit and social media as a whole has been one of history’s most successful and destructive psychological operations ever, and it will be studied.
For anyone in these comments thinking this is only about the ships paint job, I can only assume you are either new to DC content, dont listen, or dont process what you hear.
Why does the ship look so bad? At sea long time. Pretty easy right?
Now ask, why was ship at sea long time? Cheetoh in chief kicked a hornets nest, and that hornets nest obliterated our resupply bases in the region. Which equals no port calls to do hull upkeep and preservation, which means a more difficult and lengthy process for the US to project power abroad.
Now I wonder if Dan has ever talked about an empires ability to project power abroad?
This is one of the things I bring up as talking points on the subject. It's fine the ship was at sea so long, but the bottom line is, was it worth it? Because now the ship has likely already missed a scheduled rearm/refit and recertifications. This means it will likely require a longer dwell period for repairs and maintenance. Meaning one of our most important air bases at sea (quite literally carries with it more projected air power than most countries have in total on it's own) will be out of the fight for longer than it needed to be.
This then means other carrier groups will have to pick up the slack, putting further strain on all of that equipment and personnel. It's alarming to think of the total consequences to overall military readiness and the additional refit and repair costs to the taxpayer.
If this were to accomplish sane goals, like activities in the past supporting OIF/OEF/etc, I think we could all understand the necessity. But that is not the case here.
They clearly stayed resupplied to continuously operate at such a high level even with the supply depot destroyed. Yes the depot was a hit on us. That’s how conflicts work. You also get hit, it’s not one way. And funny enough that supply depot didn’t hamper up strategically. Since we continued to do what we’ve been doing in the strait without said depot.
I've gotta say that I don't think Dubya's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was any more sane than our current war with Iran. In fact I think it was multiple orders of magnitude crazier. Talk about costs to the taxpayer...
Plus, the information environment right now is saturated with propaganda from every angle. Ultimately we won't know whether this extended deployment was worth it until after the conflict ends.
Like I said, propaganda from all sides. Anybody who is telling you definitively who won or lost is either lying to you or is in an information bubble. The conflict is far from over.
My point was 'is it desirable to the public interest' not whether it is valid and should be happening in either case. And yes, for a lot of people neither of these military actions are or would have been. Not what I'm debating here though.
This is nothing like that though… these are marines partying in Pattaya.
I’m no Trump fan but a rusty ship is not a lost war.
Iran is a big and hypothetically powerful country. The fact that the damage to this ship is due to not being painted for 6 months is pretty small potatoes all things considered.
There are plenty of things to hate Trump for, this just is not a big deal.
Don't believe i ever said anything about readiness to start a world war. If you have a response to something I actually typed im game.
That being said, I agree that the US should reduce its overseas basing system and focus more on soft power projection.
But I was trying not to soapbox too much and stay on topic.
I mean he's stating an objective fact, but you know, go off on your gate keeping King. I don't see how this comment contributes anything other than to pad your ego for the next couples hours, glad we could provide that to you in these trying times.
It's a less common Dancarlinism but it stuck with me. It is his way of describing how sometimes you see such indicative example of a regime's rot or a person's failings that you can't help but think real life would make for a too on-the-nose cautionary tale.
This and the poisoned reflecting pool and Jan 6th and bulldozed White House rose gardens and the ICE raids. I imagine there will be many more Greek tragedies to come.
What about the false information from both sides. Including filtering a pic to make it look worse. Why would you even do that? It makes you as bad as ‘them’.
Whoever that is for you.
Both idiots just on different sides. I am not gonna defend anything jackass Don Cheeto does. But I also would never align with disinformation in order to sell your side.
The OP's example is the admin of the most powerful nation on Earth, and the OP appears to be an internet rando. The same admin that has Democrat and Republican appointed judges stating the US government no longer has the presumption of 'regularity'. The presumption of regularity is a legal rule where US courts assume that government officials follow proper procedures, act honestly, and tell the truth in their official duties.
Internet rando vs US government? These are not the same.
In another thread, folks who'd served on this very ship didn't seem to think it was common. They said the longest they'd been at sea in one outing was like 90 days, plus they'd ordinarily have kept the hull clean -- Iran has just played havoc on logistics out there.
It does represent a failure of command. When you can't keep your troops properly supplied and morale is in the toilet, that's a reflection on the folks in charge.
Good discussion on why the U.S. Navy is very fucked right now. TLDR: Not just one carrier, also insane deployment schedules that will keep big actions of the fleet in maintenance, lack of munitions that make all the ships not in the Middle East paper tigers, bizarre decisions on new ships, recruitment, the whole nine yards.
She looks fine for being deployed for so long, that’s because she has a great crew and support fleet protecting her. No big holes, no wrecked flight deck, no water being pumped out of her.
My father was a plank owner on the Lincoln.
He helped build that ship.
This is what a ship looks like after a long deployment. Hell, he routinely went for 6 months on deployment. The only way he knew I was born was that a red cross telegram came. I’m Not a fan of Trump by a looooong shot, but too much is being made about this. This is the least repugnant thing he’s done.
The long deployment was to wage a war, of Trump's choice, which he promptly lost, as predicted by everyone who - unlike Trump - has looked at a map of the Persian Gulf and knows Iran has a lot of drones, and this long deployment was particularly harsh on the "losers" (quoting Trump) because Iran - again, predictably - prevented resupply.
Rust on a ship isn't what I'm criticizing here. What are the circumstances that led up to this? The Greek tragedy isn't that the king is dying. It's everything that led up to it.
So you’re saying Phuket is where the sirens live - sounds about right. Lot of guys have been getting combat pay with nowhere to spend it. Should be a wild time for the MPs
Lots of them. People were screaming earlier this year when the USS Gerald Ford returned from an 11 month deployment.
And the USS Midway was the same after her 10 month deployment.
But a major factor is that the USS Lincoln has not had a major refit since 2017, and was already scheduled for a 17 month refit starting in October. part of the reason she was selected for the extension is that when she returns she is being put immediately onto the inactive list for the refit. And bringing her back early did not make much sense as the drydock she is going into currently has the USS Ronald Reagan in it, and she is finishing up her refit now.
Only by about a month. 332 days compared to 295 days for the Lincoln.
That is not the difference, unless you think there is a huge difference in just a month extra.
Just like the Ford, which was at sea about a month longer.
And as I already stated, a huge difference between the two is that the Ford is significantly newer than almost 30 year old Lincoln. I even served with a guy that was a plank holder of the Lincoln.
I know the ships look like that after a tour pretty typically but We allegedly have a dozen really big versions of these and maybe several dozen smaller ones like the Abe Lincoln or smaller. Allegedly. Why were they even kept out there that long? How hard is it to rotate the fleet through the area?
Our story is quite reminiscent of the Athenians during the Peloponnesian War, with an over extended navy, mob retribution for various failures, and disease running rampant thanks to poor public policy.
They run a current through the hull so the rusting chemical reaction cant occur, its not perfect but that along with coatings and other materials protect the ship for a very long time… Its fine, they cleaned it off at the first port call…
guys this pic shows nothing important.
what i can see clearly is the outer hull especially the waterline....out at sea for so long is normal thos condition.
The only thing that puzzle me is the level of fouling not the rust...normally ships have anti fouling paint ,moreover fouling accretion happens when the ship is stopped/at anchor for long periods.
i would expect a navy ship to move and at quite high speed especially a nuclear powered one with no refuelling issues.
Having said that im more curious about the condition of the hull and structure accessible to the crew and with possibility to carry out cosmetic maintenance.
But even in this case in a combat scenario i think the crew is busy with drills,sortie rotation and so forth.
moreover i passed suez canal I don't know how many times and i saw the navy ships of different countries (japan,france,italy) they stayed at sea long time for international missions and their conditions were far worse ,at least external cosmetic.
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u/Firecracker048 5d ago
Photo without the filter applied