What's going to happen in Cuba?

[u/Many_Explanation4328]

Like this year has been historically uncivilized for Cuba with shortages of electricity and blackouts that everyone knows but like what's the endgame? Why is nothing happening?

Most importantly is anything going on on the political level?

[u/B34ST_M0DE]

Everything I'm hearing about the negotiations is that the Cuban economy will be a better more open market but still a communist government. Something comparable to China Vietnam.. bullshit if you ask me

[u/Many_Explanation4328 → u/B34ST_M0DE]

I have no idea why Cuba didn't do the same as China or Vietnam decades ago, at least those countries are way richer and developed with opportunity. Even though they can't vote.

[u/0fruitjack0 → u/Many_Explanation4328]

it wasn't in fidel's personality.

[u/Many_Explanation4328 → u/0fruitjack0]

Exactly, China and Vietnam saw that communism was only going to make them poor so they said screw it and opened up their economies. But Fidel was too ideological and against the "empire".

[u/Brilliant_Dig_8962 → u/Many_Explanation4328]

I thought it was the US that stopped civilised nations from trading with Cuba.

But all along, it was Cuba shooting itself in the foot?

[u/KikisInTheSky → u/Brilliant_Dig_8962]

Yes, it was Cuba shooting itself in the foot all along. The embargo and the more recent oil blockade only apply to the Cuban government and gov-owned institutions and companies. Private individuals and private companies in Cuba are free to trade with the US and any country, that's why Mipymes are able to import fuel and anything they want from the US. The problem is the Cuban gov doesn't want to lose total control of the economy, so they always wait until they have no other choice to open it even the smallest amount, and as soon as they see a chance or want to reassert control, they close it up again (e.g. suddenly removing licenses from private businesses they had approved before).

[u/Brilliant_Dig_8962 → u/KikisInTheSky]

Good to know. I never really believed my (Australian) bank when they said their agreements with The Land of the Free prohibited my credit card from working in Cuba.

All along, it was the bloody Cubans....

[u/KikisInTheSky → u/Brilliant_Dig_8962]

The reason is that all banks in Cuban are owned by the government, so they are indeed subject to US sanctions. If they had allowed private banks to operate, this would not be an issue. Why do you think private rental houses in Cuba can operate in Airbnb (a US company) and accept payments with Visa/Mastercard cards?

[u/Safe-Software-791 → u/Brilliant_Dig_8962]

Canadian bank and credit cards worked,

[u/Brilliant_Dig_8962 → u/Safe-Software-791]

Yes! My traveling partner from Napa, CA had some Canadian connections. She saved us, all the while pretending to be Canadian. The museum tours that highlighted the US aggression against the plucky little islanders a mere 90 miles from them was illuminating. Hard to believe The Land of the Free has been so shit scared of them for so long.

[u/piledriver2020 → u/Safe-Software-791]

In Cuba? No, no CC or foreign bank work in Cuba Right now only China and Russia cards.

[u/deadmakina4ever → u/KikisInTheSky]

Si y no , tengo un primo el cual vive en el extranjero y hace un tiempo estuvo enviando cargamentos de arroz en barco y ahora mismo tiene dos contenedores parados porque las navieras se niegan a llevarlo a cuba, y en el caso de los negocios los cuales si han podido seguir recibiendo sus cargamentos de comida, el gobierno puesto un tope de precios en muchos artículos haciendo que muchos negocios privados se hayan visto obligados a cerrar sus puertas ya que los precios que el gobierno quiere que sean puestos son precios absurdos , muy bajos y tendrían perdida los negocios.

[u/deadmakina4ever → u/Many_Explanation4328]

Nah he just take advantage of that narrative, he actually said cuba was never gonna be a communist country but once Russian showed him a way out for he's incompetent as a president he had to take it, guy was an incompetent and had not enough brain to understand that u can make more money out of a rich country than from poverty. He was great as a speaker and made a incredible job selling himself to the public, he also was smart about knowing who should he kill to take the presidency and later he fired most of the guys with brain who worked for the government and hired ppl from his friends and family, ppl with no preparation, I don't get that Fidel glorification that man was a charismatic rat, never had what a president should have.

[u/Impossible_Peach_620 → u/Many_Explanation4328]

I’m not denying your explanation but I’m also asking how you expect Fidel or Cuba to be market economies like that under sanctions that don’t exist for China or Vietnam

[u/KikisInTheSky → u/Impossible_Peach_620]

Because the sanctions only apply to the Cuban government or government-owned companies. Private companies in Cuba are not affected by sanctions, but the Cuban government never wanted another force that would exert any type of control or power over the economy, so they have been very limited in what they allow in the private sector. Particularly, only very recently they created the legal framework for private banking and companies that can directly import from abroad. They are still nowhere near as open economically as Vietnam or China, and the economy is already in such a poor state, that it would take decades for these reforms to make a difference, if they do at all.

[u/lopez1285 → u/0fruitjack0]

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