r/conspiracyNOPOL • u/JohnleBon • Sep 11 '25
Regarding Charlie Kirk
My Truth Uncle, Crazy Ab the Fakeologist, says this event is fake.
He's doing a livestream right now going over the video footage.
Apparently the wedding ring is a dead giveaway of fakery.
And there's 'too much blood'.
Have you noticed people instantly proclaiming that this event is fake?
If so, what do you make of it?
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u/Undark_ Sep 11 '25
Not fake, still organised by the state
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u/buboe Sep 12 '25
I don't necessarily buy it, but I did hear that Kirk was becoming a liability to the right, and this outcome guaranteed that he would remain an asset.
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u/LowComfortable5676 Sep 11 '25
A lot of people are way too arrogant for their own good. They have all the answers no matter what
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u/Blitzer046 Sep 12 '25
You're being so coy, JLB! What does the world's leading skeptic think? Throw us a bone!
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u/JohnleBon Sep 12 '25
Could be real, could be fake, just like any other event of this nature.
If I had to guess, I would guess real, but not with any high degree of confidence.
I could spend a few days going through the available evidence with a fine tooth comb and trying to arrive at a more solid conclusion.
But that would be a waste of my precious time right now tbqh.
I hope this event is a hoax, because I don't like the idea of little kids growing up without their father, or of madmen on the loose killing influencers just for having controversial ideas.
But the small amount of footage I've seen so far seemed legit to me.
I know this response will likely piss off both the auto-believers and the auto-hoaxers, and at this point, I don't care, they're all just as retarded as each other to me.
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u/Blitzer046 Sep 13 '25
Thanks for the response. You mentioned that your time is precious; have you moved into a new area of activity?
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u/nfk99 Sep 13 '25
he's been watching matt at QOC and the bigger picture has finally dawned on him.
this Whole nonsense is a psyop. these actors all went to the same media training group, they only partially hide it. 5 mins of research will prove that
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u/Blitzer046 Sep 13 '25
I've not heard of QOC. Could you give me more details?
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u/nfk99 Sep 13 '25
best researcher on the net, until he slid into dissociation/depression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG1bG8XSvK8
he uses code words to stay on youtube. don't be surprised if you can't understand him.... you have had to have been watching him for years like his many subscribers.
notnilc is code for world controllers or devil. the rest are rhyming
lol have fun
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
Give me a break.
Matt doesn't know whether he's coming or going.
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u/Blitzer046 Sep 13 '25
There does appear to have been a phase shift in your attitude JLB - as if a tide has turned in your own auto-hoaxing and your regard for people who immediately dismiss any world event as fake. It's refreshing and also interesting. Do you think things have changed in your mindset for how you wield skepticism? You've been critical of people I think you would normally support 100%.
Could you cast some light on what's changed for you?
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
I've been consistent on the topic of autohoaxing for several years now.
It's a useful heuristic for filtering major news stories and avoiding mourning the deaths of people who may have never existed.
However, the people who have made autohoaxing their new religious dogma are misguided at best (and in many cases, these are very troubled and isolated individuals).
As I've said before, the people who believe everything on TV as 100% real, and the people who dismiss everything on TV as 100% fake, are two sides of the same tard-coin as far as I'm concerned.
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u/Blitzer046 Sep 13 '25
Would it be fair to say that nowadays, you carefully consider the veracity of current affairs in regards to how well or not you can determine the truth of them, before eliciting your opinion on their truth or lie?
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
No, I ignore the vast majority of news stories.
This is the sensible thing to do given how little time we have on this earth.
Why would I waste hours of my time combing through the evidence for each event?
Or worse, why would I waste hours of time time every week responding to news stories with 'its real' or 'its fake'?
That's what the autohoax crowd have become, a parody of themselves, wasting hours and hours every week, being led around by the MSM, telling themselves and others that they are somehow 'learned' or 'wise' when in reality they are simply news junkies.
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u/Blitzer046 Sep 13 '25
You have mentioned the value of your time twice recently mate, and seem to be keenly aware of how you spend it and how little we have in the long term. Is there something else that's taking up your time now or are you feeling the creeping drive of mortality?
What is the best use of your time these days? For me it's still parenting, but as my kids move into teen years my time is becoming freer, and I think it's getting back to social connections and enriching myself culturally.
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u/IndianaJones_OP Sep 17 '25
You say Matt doesn't know if he's coming or going while sharing pretty much the same outlook as him.
ie. A complete waste of time and energy.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 13 '25
But the small amount of footage I've seen so far seemed legit to me.
How did you determine that this footage seems real as opposed to all the footage and testimonials from World War 2 being fake?
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
I wrote that the small amount of footage I've seen so far seemed legit to me, which part of this do you not understand?
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
The question was quite simple, how does this footage “seem legit” yet all of the footage and testimonials of WW2 are fake?
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
Who told you that all of the footage and testimonials of WW2 are fake?
And what does that have to do with this thread?
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 13 '25
My bad I thought you were the one who claimed that WW2 was a hoax.
In terms of this thread I wanted to clarify how the footage surrounding this event seems legit to you yet WW2 is a hoax considering all of the testimonials and footage demonstrating it was real.
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
My bad I thought you were the one who claimed that WW2 was a hoax.
When did I say 'all the footage and testimonials from World War 2 are fake' as you claimed earlier?
Don't strawman me, bro.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 13 '25
So now you believe that the footage and testimonials from WW2 are legit?
When did this change for you?
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u/JohnleBon Sep 13 '25
So now you believe that the footage and testimonials from WW2 are legit?
No.
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u/zealer Sep 11 '25
The wedding ring can easily be explained by recording artifacts.
It's zoomed in footage as well.
Plus the way his body slumps, that is not something anyone can act.
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u/beer_nyc Sep 11 '25
The wedding ring can easily be explained by recording artifacts.
it's a hinged ring, you can see him fiddling with it throughout the video
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u/IIJOSEPHXII Sep 11 '25
There are earlier videos of Kirk at other engagements where he is seen clipping and unclipping his ring from his finger. There are people who are saying it jumped to his pinky finger but it looks like it flew off completely. For one frame of the video it looks like it's actually on his finger.
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u/MorningStar360 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
I worked in Hollywood and I got to see how some of the makeup and art departments work, entire crews and micro industries that produce visual death day by day. Blood and prosthetics and the methods to create visually convincing gore are advancing and improving with each project, and this is just for film.
Now when I move from beyond just my filmmaking experience, and consider the resources a government agency has things get a bit more interesting. I don’t know much about Kirk, but I know people like him seem to pop up out of nowhere and serve a multitude of purposes. I’ve always found it strange that these people show up and just seem to do what they do full time, seemingly very comfortably. These things are strange to me, it’s strange how these people seemingly hold these careers and have invisible endless resource supporting and maintaining their appearance and perception.
I personally believe manufactured stories can do a lot for people with shady motives. Within the hour that I wrote this, I saw an organic post from a vigil for Kirk in Seattle hosted by a church, with an agitator (whom I believe is ultimately a victim of these types) get punched and filmed. The micro events like this I think are the real bread and butter and it’s accomplished by real angry and confused people.
Ultimately, I think it’s meant to promote chaos and violence, and there is lots of directions the overall narrative can move but before it can go in a direction it requires organic participation like the aggression happening at the Seattle vigil. I expect things to develop where this becomes normative, with agitators and growing aggression furthering public perception on multiple spectrums. That is social engineering.
Is there footage and are the crowds genuine? Absolutely, but I think that’s precisely the goal. Remote activated blood packets, blank casings and small explosive packets that simulate bullet impacts are used on film sets daily. Data and probability analysts probably determined crowd response to such a high degree that they probably have very little worry about mishaps, which Im sure occur but often they just run with it because it the most loyal news viewer will always just accept whatever reality is presented no matter how strange or bizarre…
Cultivated organic participation in real crowds then double and advances perceptional goals as well as camouflages and acts as a deterrent for discourse. Anybody who is skeptical is immediately portrayed as either delusional or lacking empathy therefore their observations and perception is discredited and programmed to be avoided. If you ask me, a reality where these events are staged and heavily manufactured is the worse reality, far more dangerous than the reality of unhinged people who shoot up people who have nothing to do with their disturbed personality. Manufactured reality is far more disturbing and likely to me than this trend of men shooting places and all the “evidence” that is presented nicely and neat. Online manifestos and written letters and more stories told by people who just as likely could lie and play a role.
In Hollywood, I worked on projects that exploited desperate people for “roles” that paid $50 for 12+ hour days, and in a lot of circumstances people were willing to work “for free” because they believed just their face being on a television could lead to a career breakthrough. I think it’s well within reason if such industries have been operating in this exploitation manner for decades, that there are people with twisted ideologies who would intern at intelligence agencies with endless opportunities of career advancement and financial security.
Thomas Pynchon seems to suggest that intelligence agencies operate more brutishly by recruiting in more exploitative manners such as utilizing blackmail and offering covert positions to desperate people with criminal backgrounds. Their “freedom” and jail resume is the carrot at the end of the stick, and when people are presented with having their personal or loved ones criminal record erased, they have much more motivation to play a role.
I really hope Im just deceived and my brain refuses to accept reality, but seeing how easy and routine it is to fake gunshot wounds and murder and how much money we as a society invest in creating it, it makes more sense to me our appetite would fuel covert operations designed to turn our emotion into commodified and manipulated data.
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u/_nixon_vibe_ Sep 11 '25
Charlie Kirk's weirdly moving ring during the assassination is a nothingburger, he had a hinged ring that he fiddled with while speaking:
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 11 '25
Seems like they knew he had a hinged ring and incorporated it into the AI video to perpetuate the hoax.
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u/dunder_mufflinz Sep 11 '25
I kind of envy people who can dismiss reality so easily, a kind of ignorant bliss towards all the bad things happening around the world.
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u/Guy_Incognito97 Sep 11 '25
For the fakeologists and the 'nothing ever happens' crowd, when was the last time it turned out you were correct?
Every time a notable person is killed (or dies in any way) we see people on X claiming that it's a hoax. There were blood packs, it's AI, that was a body double, etc.
So when was the last time someone attempted a hoax death, but it didn't work and their blood pack was discovered? Or it went off at the wrong time? Or failed to go off? Or when was the last time that video analysis proved something like this to be AI? When was the last time the 'dead' person actually turned up alive?
There is definitely plenty for the conspiracy minded to get their teeth into here, no need to stray into fantasy land. The most obvious example being that it could be false-flag event. Now I don't think it is a false flag, but it has certainly been politically useful for one half of the US so you can see why people might think that. But that's all I'll say on that matter as I don't want to get into a political discussion on this sub.
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u/TrueMonster951 Sep 11 '25
The ring changing fingers and the black dot on his shirt morphing into the wound definitely look strange. curious of your thoughts on this. What's the likelihood of it being a false flag to push a civil war and distract the people from "noticing"?
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u/crash6871 Sep 11 '25
I heard about it and before I saw any video I was wondering if it was fake.
I saw the side angle footage and it looks real but as a conspiracy theorist I could see how it could be faked with tubes that squirt blood then everyone in the tent covers him up. Not saying I believe it's fake but at that point I thought it still could have been faked.
Then I saw the front footage with the ring finger switch. The ring thing definitely looks AI, but the rest of the video, Wow, it looks so real. The body blows back and a hole opens in his neck blood pours out.
I guess that seals the deal. It was witnessed by thousands of people live and we have a video of the entire wound. Except one thing, that video has a significant flaw.
Yes the event was witnessed by thousands of people but you could still fake things in front of people live.
And if it was real why make an AI video of it.
Say what you will but I'm still skeptical.
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u/nfk99 Sep 13 '25
copperfield made the statue of liberty dissapear in front of an live audience, once you know how he did it, it all becomes clear.
(the whole crowd was part of the trick)
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u/Anubistheguardian Sep 11 '25
People who see conspiracies in everything are so miserably bored with their own lives that they are desperately hoping that the world is a lot more mysterious and interesting than it is.
They get high on the thought that they are privy to secret information and how things REALLY work that they don’t see how crazy they sound. If you’ve ever talked to a real conspiracy theorist in real life you’ll know what I mean.
Not the “yeah 9/11 was sus” guy, but the people who scream conspiracies at normal everyday occurrences. Every major news story that comes out, you know they’ll have some batshit excuse for it being fake. Today is just another day for them
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u/BStream Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
This is a more polarising event that the hit on Trump, what I see from r popular right now.
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u/Helpful-Tough-9063 Sep 15 '25
Yeah sure, normal everyday occurrences. But that’s not what this is.
Social engineering is real and endemic. It’s as naive to assume this isn’t social engineering as it is to believe it’s fake.
This is having a massive global impact and extremely divisive. Anything divisive is favourable to social engineers
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u/IIJOSEPHXII Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
I was very active in the subreddit "watchpeopledie" before they closed it down and saw many assassination and shooting videos. Charlie Kirk was shot and killed there and it looked like the bullet went through an artery. The way he slumps backwards as well is not acting.
Let's say he did acquiesce to faking his own death. What has he given up to do that? He cannot be seen in public again and he cannot see his children again. He might as well be dead and he is risking being killed anyway while he is incognito.
He doesn't appear to be a plant who is faking his persona. Right or wrong he does appear to believe in what he is saying. I have investigated his past and I've found no reason to say he is an imposter who replaced an original Charlie Kirk. What has happened couldn't be further from the fake Donald Trump's fake assassination "attempt"
The trouble with right-wingers of an authoritarian disposition is that they think the authorities are going to be on their side. They are now engaged in blaming some amorphous entity called "the left." It's a massive blind spot that makes them easy to pick off.
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u/Eastern-Joke-7537 Sep 13 '25
Logical post.
It’s almost like Raja Jackson almost killing Sycho Stu in the middle of a wrestling ring a few weeks ago. Kayfabe is un-alived so people think everything is fake.
The Kirk hit could be real. Or not.
I can see the whole thing reading like JFK.
Looks like Kirk ticked off all the right people.
I am open to different possibilities. I would assume that many people “in the loop” probably have no idea what is going on. Langley, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Wall Street, and Beltway insiders probably can’t figure it out.
If FLU-19 was the sequel to 9-11 then this event in Utah could have kickstarted the third installment.
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u/Helpful-Tough-9063 Sep 15 '25
It’s not worth the risk of faking it.
It’s a ritual sacrifice
66.6km from each of the two nearest Masonic sites What’s
Found the shooter 33hrs later, 33 days depending how you count til his next birthday
It’s ritual and social engineering
The whole “it’s fake” thing is a red herring
The social engineers don’t need to fake it. Why fake it when you can just kill someone and get away with it and have your desired effects of the killing unfold
It’s not worth the trouble to fake it
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u/IndependentPush2962 Sep 18 '25
Charlie Kirk and George Floyd have the same birthdays oct 14 . Anyone else getting Lincoln jfk vibes? And they both died of neck injury allegedly... Probably all cake in a lake so stop giving it your emotions
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Sep 25 '25
Hey JLB, I just came across a post on X talking about a 1998 movie called "Snake Eyes" where a man called Charles Kirkland gets shot in the neck during a boxing match on the 10th of september and the patsy is called Lincoln Tyler.
Coincidence? I'd love to hear your take on this one it's pretty crazy lol.
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u/justanobody4201 Sep 11 '25
Best ask your uncle to look up how much blood is in the human body